Know anything about this WA bighorn?

[Antlershed]

WDFW Drawing = everybody has equally horrible odds

Raffle = more expensive buy in, with increased odds vs drawing depending on how much you want to spend

Auction = most expensive buy in, with 100% odds of winning if you spend enough

 

I had a guy from CA hunt with me this last fall who bought one raffle tag in ID for mule deer and got it. The previous year I had a different guy from CA who bought $200 of raffle tags in ID that drew. My point is that everyone who buys even 1 tag has a chance but if ID limited the number of chances the other guy wouldn't have given ID $200!

I think the unknown though, is if it was capped, would 6 new guys have joined in and contributed $50 each?

Would be interesting to see the comparison in revenues if they did a trial year where they capped one or two.

[huntnphool]

WDFW Drawing = everybody has equally horrible odds

Raffle = more expensive buy in, with increased odds vs drawing depending on how much you want to spend

Auction = most expensive buy in, with 100% odds of winning if you spend enough

 

I had a guy from CA hunt with me this last fall who bought one raffle tag in ID for mule deer and got it. The previous year I had a different guy from CA who bought $200 of raffle tags in ID that drew. My point is that everyone who buys even 1 tag has a chance but if ID limited the number of chances the other guy wouldn't have given ID $200!

I think the unknown though, is if it was capped, would 6 new guys have joined in and contributed $50 each?

Would be interesting to see the comparison in revenues if they did a trial year where they capped one or two.

 Does anyone have a chart that shows itemized raffle revenue per year?

[3dvapor]

I used to buy Oregon raffles too but the same guys that are buying our raffle hunts in wa. Also do the same thing in Oregon so I quit.   I found it odd too that when they were runner up they would end up with the tag alot of times because the winner would turn it in.   Most likely being paid to forfeit tag.   I don't believe the raffle tags were envisioned  to work this way.

[bobcat]

This thread got me curious as to how much some of the raffle ticket winners are spending. So I looked up the winner of the South Central raffle this year, and this is what he bought:

South Central - 627 tickets - $17 each - total   $10,659
Blacktail Deer - 91 tickets - $6 each - total   $546
Eastern Elk - 374 tickets - $6 each - total   $2,244
Western Elk - 91 tickets - $6 each - total   $546
Northeast - 29 tickets - $17 each - total   $493
Southeast - 80 tickets - $22.50 each - total   $1,800

Total for all:  $16,288

That's not a bad price for an elk tag, a mule deer tag, and a bighorn sheep tag, especially when you get a 4 month season for all of those tags.

[bearpaw]

This thread got me curious as to how much some of the raffle ticket winners are spending. So I looked up the winner of the South Central raffle this year, and this is what he bought:

South Central - 627 tickets - $17 each - total   $10,659
Blacktail Deer - 91 tickets - $6 each - total   $546
Eastern Elk - 374 tickets - $6 each - total   $2,244
Western Elk - 91 tickets - $6 each - total   $546
Northeast - 29 tickets - $17 each - total   $493
Southeast - 80 tickets - $22.50 each - total   $1,800

Total for all:  $16,288

That's not a bad price for an elk tag, a mule deer tag, and a bighorn sheep tag, especially when you get a 4 month season for all of those tags.

You are right, that was a deal, but it's a gamble, You might not get any of them!

[westside Elkhunter]

Same guy That bought the tag this year for $150.000.00 he has 5 of the top ten archery sheep in WA.

How does he have 5 sheep in WA? Does he just "buy" the raffles, or has he had the auction tag that many times? That's impressive!

I have met Casey a couple times. He is very down to earth. And he has had both. So does Casey or his dad have the auction tag this year?

[jackelope]

 His dad has it.

[ipkus]

I have a little different take on the whole process, I think the limited-entry, raffles, and auctions, are being done pretty well.

The purpose of the limited-entry OIL is to give everyone 1 chance at drawing a tag and it's OIL so every gets more of a chance at getting their one successful hunt. The auctions tags are there to make money for conservation, those tags need to go to the highest bidder so we the people get the most out of that auctioned off tag. The raffle tags are there to make money for conservation too, the way it works everyone who wants a chance gets a chance, if you limit the number of chances a person can buy then you are defeating the purpose.

Millions come in for conservation from these auctions and raffles, we are getting the most conservation dollars for the few animals taken. In the end there is more wildlife in the field for everyone to hunt by getting the most we can for these auction and raffle tags. I would like to see them all selling for twice as much as they do now. Combined with donations from sporting groups like WSF, RMEF, and MDF more transplants and habitat improvements could occur resulting in more animals available to the average hunter.

Can you define conservation as it pertains to WDFW?  My understanding is none of the money from either the raffle or auction tags goes to specific species, it is simply deposited directly into the wildlife account.  If I'm correct, there is very little (if any) conservation gained from this revenue, it simply feeds the massively top heavy bureaucratic machine that is WDFW.

I could be convinced to be a little more on board (I am currently not) with the existence of auction tags if the funds were actually dedicated to specific conservation efforts like they are in many other states.  To have them simply supplement the wildlife account (i.e. WDFW general fund) is NOT conservation.

[notsosneaky]

Casey Brooks is a great guy and a great sheep hunter.

[Bushcraft]

I have a little different take on the whole process, I think the limited-entry, raffles, and auctions, are being done pretty well.

The purpose of the limited-entry OIL is to give everyone 1 chance at drawing a tag and it's OIL so every gets more of a chance at getting their one successful hunt. The auctions tags are there to make money for conservation, those tags need to go to the highest bidder so we the people get the most out of that auctioned off tag. The raffle tags are there to make money for conservation too, the way it works everyone who wants a chance gets a chance, if you limit the number of chances a person can buy then you are defeating the purpose.

Millions come in for conservation from these auctions and raffles, we are getting the most conservation dollars for the few animals taken. In the end there is more wildlife in the field for everyone to hunt by getting the most we can for these auction and raffle tags. I would like to see them all selling for twice as much as they do now. Combined with donations from sporting groups like WSF, RMEF, and MDF more transplants and habitat improvements could occur resulting in more animals available to the average hunter.

Dale hit the nail on the head.

Instead of getting upset about these sorts of things, I wish people would get more personally involved with hands-on wildlife conservation and legislative issues. Having been involved in various leadership capacities in various sportsmen's groups at the local, state and national level, I've always found it both in fascinating and frustrating whenever a proverbial call to arms for either volunteers and/or money goes out...and all too the response sounds like crickets chirping.  The same people that can't be bothered to volunteer a few hours and/or donate a few bucks for whatever wildlife conservation projects, hunters education or legislative issue awareness seem to always be the first to bitch and moan about things.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT taking anything away from the relatively small core of awesome people among the various sportsmen's groups across this state and elsewhere that do contribute a huge amount of their time and/or money.  I think it would shock people, or maybe not, at just how much time and energy a few people selflessly volunteer for the benefit of hunters and hunting.  Without them, hunting as we know it here in Washington would be drastically different...and not for the better!  These volunteers are the unsung heroes in my mind.

[Reidus]

I wish my grandfather had founded UPS instead of being a gardener for the Olympia brewery  

Casey is a great guy. I know one year sheep hunting in Washington he spent 25 days bowhunting sheep. He will pay for tags and hunts hard. He also set me up with my 1st bow.

[Caretaker]

If I could afford it I'd do it too, instead I live vicariously through them and enjoy reading their story

[RadSav]

Casey is a great guy. I know one year sheep hunting in Washington he spent 25 days bowhunting sheep. He will pay for tags and hunts hard. He also set me up with my 1st bow.

Casey and I do not know each other all that well.  Our conversations have been brief and a lot of them have seen disagreements in self-promotion.  But there has always been common ground and respect both ways, I think.  He has given a good bit of his time to help out our local Marine Vet/Archery shop owner down here.  Never asking for anything in return.  Each year he earns more and more of my respect.   Both in his evolvement as a father and as a bowhunter.

In this line of work you get to know a lot of wealthy hunters who buy animals and are borderline fake in their perceived success.  Casey is no such animal.  Sure the family wealth allows hunting the best animals in some of the best places on earth, but to me he hunts hard when he is there and makes the most of the opportunities that are presented.  And he does DIY also!  That is not my definition of fake success.  No matter how much money you have you don't take 63 archery elk and attain the archery Super Slam without knowing how to handle pressure and making shots count.

IMO - Good man, great bowhunter. 

Here is a pretty cool audio interview.  If you didn't know about his governor purchases and wealth you'd just hear a cool dude that enjoys hunting.  http://jayscottoutdoors.podbean.com/e/episdoe-26-bowhunting-elk-with-casey-brooks/

[Skyvalhunter]

The mule deer raffle tag guy in Washington this year purchased 1 ticket and won  it. Stranger things have happened.

Examples please

[REHJWA]

The mule deer raffle tag guy in Washington this year purchased 1 ticket and won  it. Stranger things have happened.

Examples please

I won a rifle at a banquet , think I've used all my luck up for a while...