Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle

[Tbar]

Something that would definitively say that 334 would not be a huntable unit to auction/raffle tag holders.  I just don't think it's as cut and dry (illegal) as many (not you) are claiming. I apologize if the spike pic has zero meaning to this thread.  Mods feel free to delete.

[huntnphool]

So if I'm defending I would ask simple yes/no questions.  (Photo from this thread http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=101806.0)
Is this a branched antler bull?
Is this legal in 334?
Is 334 open to branch bulls?

No
Yes
No

Thats not a branched bull?  I would love to see a jury of six come to agreement on your answers.

trying to justify hunting branched bulls in 334 is just trying to twist the wording in the regs to suit the hunting needs of one individual.

 +1

[jackelope]

What is WDFW's definition of a spike bull and what is their definition of a branch antlered bull? By definition, I'm pretty sure that bull in the picture is  a spike.

Jackalope, it's definitely a fine print and interpretation  argument.  That does not take away from it's validity.

Per the reg's, page 52, GMU 334 is a true spike unit.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01712/wdfw01712.pdf







With all due respect, please explain to me how that could possibly, ever, in a month of Sunday's, be a matter of interpretation. 

[jackelope]

That Bull in the picture is also legal in a 3PT or better area, like GMU 652.  So, I would call it a branch antlered Bull and not a spike.

This was not 652. Or any other gmu where 3 point Bulls are even a consideration.

[Pinetar]

NO According to WDFW and the regs it is a spike. Refer to page 49 in regs if you don't understand and are confused of the difference. Theirs some really cool pics to look at as well.

True Spike Bull Restrictions: Bull elk taken in
these units (GMUs 251, 328-335) must
have both antlers with no branching
originating more than four inches above
where the antlers attach to the skull

Riechert's Bull clearly has branching on both antlers that are more than 4 inches above his skull.

NO It is illegal to shoot a 1x5 in 334 with any weapon and all seasons except with a bow during Sept. archery season.

NO AGAIN!!! Again, you can shoot that 1x5 spike with a bow during Sept. archery season but if you shoot a 2x2 or larger with any weapon or any tag it becomes illegal as it would clearly become a branched bull by looking at or reading the regs.

334 is TRUE SPIKE ONLY (meaning 1x1) EXCEPT SEPT ARCHERY where you can legally shoot a 1x?

I can't find anywhere in the regs where it is legal to shoot a branched bull (meaning 2x2 or larger) in Unit 334. If I am missing something, PLEASE show me! To me the regs are not confusing at all on this subject.

TBar- In your eyes is unit 334 True Spike or not? In your eyes can you legally shoot that 1x5 in 334 with a muzzy or rifle?

[Tbar]

So they should be pursuing charges on every non true spike taken in archery and muzzy.

[huntnphool]

Something that would definitively say that 334 would not be a huntable unit to auction/raffle tag holders.

 The regs clearly say that raffle tag is valid in any unit for that region until the end of the year, except those GMU's closed to elk hunting or closed to branch antlered bull elk hunting

 Definitive to everyone not looking for some way, any way, to justify killing that bull.

[JDHasty]

Jackalope, in the 2015 Game Regs it is listed on P51 a Spike or antlerless for the Archery General

[huntnphool]

So they should be pursuing charges on every non true spike taken in archery and muzzy.

 I can appreciate your need for a clear understanding Tbar, but this has absolutely nothing to do with this thread or situation.

[JDHasty]

NO According to WDFW and the regs it is a spike. Refer to page 49 in regs if you don't understand and are confused of the difference. Theirs some really cool pics to look at as well.

True Spike Bull Restrictions: Bull elk taken in
these units (GMUs 251, 328-335) must
have both antlers with no branching
originating more than four inches above
where the antlers attach to the skull

Riechert's Bull clearly has branching on both antlers that are more than 4 inches above his skull.

NO It is illegal to shoot a 1x5 in 334 with any weapon and all seasons except with a bow during Sept. archery season.

NO AGAIN!!! Again, you can shoot that 1x5 spike with a bow during Sept. archery season but if you shoot a 2x2 or larger with any weapon or any tag it becomes illegal as it would clearly become a branched bull by looking at or reading the regs.

334 is TRUE SPIKE ONLY (meaning 1x1) EXCEPT SEPT ARCHERY where you can legally shoot a 1x?

I can't find anywhere in the regs where it is legal to shoot a branched bull (meaning 2x2 or larger) in Unit 334. If I am missing something, PLEASE show me! To me the regs are not confusing at all on this subject.

TBar- In your eyes is unit 334 True Spike or not? In your eyes can you legally shoot that 1x5 in 334 with a muzzy or rifle?

What you are saying is a stone cold natural fact! 

[lord grizzly]

Don't forget guys if your not clear on any regulations you can always call fish and game and ask....oh wait ....

[huntnphool]

Don't forget guys if your not clear on any regulations you can always call fish and game and ask....oh wait ....

 Sadly this is true in more ways than one, WDFG was reliable as I remember it, WDFW not so much!

[teanawayslayer]

Something that would definitively say that 334 would not be a huntable unit to auction/raffle tag holders.  I just don't think it's as cut and dry (illegal) as many (not you) are claiming. I apologize if the spike pic has zero meaning to this thread.  Mods feel free to delete.

[teanawayslayer]

Pretty simple

[huntnphool]

Pretty simple

  It would seem!