WDFW where are you?

[jetjockey]

The National Field Trial at Ames Plantation uses pen raised birds. Says right on Ames Plantation webpage. You must be shocked!!!

No, they use pen raised birds as WELL as wild birds.  Ames is one of those places where a rich guy with lots of land and money put his land away for future generations to enjoy and trial on.  We have NOTHING like that in the PNW.  Ames is a test bed for wild quail survival, quail habitat, and how to restore the wild quail in the South.  They began to use pre-released birds because the bird numbers weren't supporting the trial.   Pre-release is a LOT different than throw down trials.  Besides, you can't even hunt Ames.  It's strictly for research and trials.  Can you name one place like that in the PNW?

[jetjockey]

You might want to read this as well.  Is there anywhere in the PNW like Ames or the Dixie Plantation?   NO!  Why?  Because the PNW doesn't have the bird dog culture like other places.

http://dixieplantation.org

Imagine the PNW with a place specifically managed for wild bird populations that only allowed trials to be run on those grounds.  It will never happen......It happens in other parts of the country!!

 

[Happy Gilmore]

You've said Ames is wild birds only and exclusively many times and its not. Neither are many state lands used for training. Sorry I look stupid. 

[jetjockey]

You've said Ames is wild birds only and exclusively many times and its not. Neither are many state lands used for training. Sorry I look stupid. 

I havent said its only wild birds.  However, yes it is exclusive, I bet you've never met a dig it seen a dog that was even half qualified.  But keep telling people you know what your talking about.  Remember, before I explained it to you you didn't even know what American Field was.  I suggest you stick to flushing and retrieving dogs, because you don't know squat about pointing dogs.  Oh ya, good luck finding someone o cute the grass on your grounds. In GA, there's 10-20 state funded training grounds perfectly mainted with the grass cut!!

[wildweeds]

Westside pheasants are stocked birds, mostly due to mismanagement by the game department with help from modern farming and sloppy chicken farmers way back in the day. Wild pheasants and Hungarian partridge used to be here as well as Mr Bob himself.

[Happy Gilmore]

You've said Ames is wild birds only and exclusively many times and its not. Neither are many state lands used for training. Sorry I look stupid. 

I havent said its only wild birds.  However, yes it is exclusive, I bet you've never met a dig it seen a dog that was even half qualified.  But keep telling people you know what your talking about.  Remember, before I explained it to you you didn't even know what American Field was.  I suggest you stick to flushing and retrieving dogs, because you don't know squat about pointing dogs.  Oh ya, good luck finding someone o cute the grass on your grounds. In GA, there's 10-20 state funded training grounds perfectly mainted with the grass cut!!

You mean the reteiever grounds built by retriever clubs in TN and ga? Lol

[Happy Gilmore]

For anyone who may be interested in helping add positive input to help protect our public resources and land available to all dog trainers we have a group of people planning on attending the upcoming commissioners meeting to present testimony regarding our history and need for open spaces. Our support is currently comprised of pointer groups, retriever folks and other dog fanciers. If you would like to help us improve Washington properties contact me. If you prefer to write about what we don't have compared to other states you live in just find somewhere else to live and comment how good it it is to be there. Thanks to the folks who care to help. There are alot of you helping I know which prefer not to comment on website...and those who pick up a weed wacker and a mower to put hands on the ground where you live and train your dogs because you love the sport and don't care if your neighborhood isn't the best bird producing area in the world please continue supporting us who are working hard to make it better.

[Happy Gilmore]

You've said Ames is wild birds only and exclusively many times and its not. Neither are many state lands used for training. Sorry I look stupid. 

I havent said its only wild birds.  However, yes it is exclusive, I bet you've never met a dig it seen a dog that was even half qualified.  But keep telling people you know what your talking about.  Remember, before I explained it to you you didn't even know what American Field was.  I suggest you stick to flushing and retrieving dogs, because you don't know squat about pointing dogs.  Oh ya, good luck finding someone o cute the grass on your grounds. In GA, there's 10-20 state funded training grounds perfectly mainted with the grass cut!!

Why do choose to slum with such low lifes in the dog world like us peasants here on this page? I'd think by your affluence you'd be only chatting with the keeper of the plantations?

[nanum]

Colville, I agree that private industry will be more productive and profitable than government  but I do think that government lands including water can provide opportunity for all people whether their income level to enjoy outdoor recreation at all levels whether it be hiking fishing hunting or whatever.

[jetjockey]

For anyone who may be interested in helping add positive input to help protect our public resources and land available to all dog trainers we have a group of people planning on attending the upcoming commissioners meeting to present testimony regarding our history and need for open spaces. Our support is currently comprised of pointer groups, retriever folks and other dog fanciers. If you would like to help us improve Washington properties contact me. If you prefer to write about what we don't have compared to other states you live in just find somewhere else to live and comment how good it it is to be there. Thanks to the folks who care to help. There are alot of you helping I know which prefer not to comment on website...and those who pick up a weed wacker and a mower to put hands on the ground where you live and train your dogs because you love the sport and don't care if your neighborhood isn't the best bird producing area in the world please continue supporting us who are working hard to make it better.

The OP's post wasn't about trying to find training grounds.  The OP's post is about field trial grounds. I think it's great you guys have a grass root group trying to improve training opportunities in WA state.  What WA doesn't have is the big money and big names really backing the cause.  Let me give you an example.  Ted Turner has shooting dogs that he trials (bet you didn't know that).  Several years ago he bought the 9000 acre Naomi plantation in Georgia strictly for wild bird hunting and wild bird trials.  He also has a 42000 acre ranch in Kansas where they are doing the same thing.  I'm sure some day, when he's gone, that land will likely be turned over to the states, or set up in a trust for groups to run to manage for field trials and wild birds.  In WAS, we simply don't have that kind of support.  Why?  Because we don't have the history and the culture of bird dogs that they have in other parts of the country.  Sorry that makes you butt hurt, but that is the truth, and that's why not only does WA not have good trial grounds, you guys are struggling to even get good training grounds.  Its ashame too, because WA has the land and the birds to support a truely world class field trial grounds.  If you really want to help, continue doing what your doing, and then get as many kids as you can into bird dogs and upland hunting.   If you truely want support for your cause, that's where the support will come from.

[Happy Gilmore]

For anyone who may be interested in helping add positive input to help protect our public resources and land available to all dog trainers we have a group of people planning on attending the upcoming commissioners meeting to present testimony regarding our history and need for open spaces. Our support is currently comprised of pointer groups, retriever folks and other dog fanciers. If you would like to help us improve Washington properties contact me. If you prefer to write about what we don't have compared to other states you live in just find somewhere else to live and comment how good it it is to be there. Thanks to the folks who care to help. There are alot of you helping I know which prefer not to comment on website...and those who pick up a weed wacker and a mower to put hands on the ground where you live and train your dogs because you love the sport and don't care if your neighborhood isn't the best bird producing area in the world please continue supporting us who are working hard to make it better.

The OP's post wasn't about trying to find training grounds.  The OP's post is about field trial grounds. I think it's great you guys have a grass root group trying to improve training opportunities in WA state.  What WA doesn't have is the big money and big names really backing the cause.  Let me give you an example.  Ted Turner has shooting dogs that he trials (bet you didn't know that).  Several years ago he bought the 9000 acre Naomi plantation in Georgia strictly for wild bird hunting and wild bird trials.  He also has a 42000 acre ranch in Kansas where they are doing the same thing.  I'm sure some day, when he's gone, that land will likely be turned over to the states, or set up in a trust for groups to run to manage for field trials and wild birds.  In WAS, we simply don't have that kind of support.  Why?  Because we don't have the history and the culture of bird dogs that they have in other parts of the country.  Sorry that makes you butt hurt, but that is the truth, and that's why not only does WA not have good trial grounds, you guys are struggling to even get good training grounds.  Its ashame too, because WA has the land and the birds to support a truely world class field trial grounds.  If you really want to help, continue doing what your doing, and then get as many kids as you can into bird dogs and upland hunting.   If you truely want support for your cause, that's where the support will come from.

My point was you might struggle for what you do and what I do could help you someday. I have plenty of places to train and I have thousands of acres in eastern WA I have permission to use. Yes, believe it or not it is not open to the public and there are lots of birds and big game... My butt is never hurt. Just tired of you repeating the same old stuff over and over and over... We get it dude. You know all about the beat places for dogs (specific to what you do) and nothing anywhere compares to how cool and prestigious the places you use are especially in Washington. If you didn't notice, the name of this page is hunt WA. Not hunt Ames, ted turners house, or whatever else you boast about each time you write something about all the worlds wild birds are only found in the exclusively places where you and your wild bird only dogs go

[jetjockey]

No, the OP's post was about why WA doesn't have field trial grounds like they do in other states.   In order to understand why WA doesn't,  you have to understand why other states do. The stuff your tired of hearing IS the reason we don't have those types of grounds.  Sorry your tired of hearing the truth and facts, but those are the truths and facts!......You don't understand pointing dog field trials.  You don't understand that in the PNW, there is almost no emphasis on wild bird trials.  In other places in the country, especially in the AF world, that's the main emphasis.  You don't understand why most pros in the Midwest and South spend their summers in the prairies on wild birds, while very few, if any Pros in the PNW do.  There's a reason for it, but you will never know because your too busy spouting off at the mouth and getting butt hurt, and not listening.  Your probably the same type of person that will say trial dogs don't make good hunting dogs, yet you don't understand why people say that, all your doing is repeating something someone else told you.  You don't understand why there is so much emphasize put on wild birds. .  In the South,  especially in the AF world, people with knowledge don't say that!  I'm sorry your tired of hearing about WA states shortcomings when it comes to bird dogs.  You can't fix the problem unless you know why the problem exists.  I'm sorry you can't handle the truth.

[Happy Gilmore]

No, the OP's post was about why WA doesn't have field trial grounds like they do in other states.   In order to understand why WA doesn't,  you have to understand why other states do. The stuff your tired of hearing IS the reason we don't have those types of grounds.  Sorry your tired of hearing the truth and facts, but those are the truths and facts!......You don't understand pointing dog field trials.  You don't understand that in the PNW, there is almost no emphasis on wild bird trials.  In other places in the country, especially in the AF world, that's the main emphasis.  You don't understand why most pros in the Midwest and South spend their summers in the prairies on wild birds, while very few, if any Pros in the PNW do.  There's a reason for it, but you will never know because your too busy spouting off at the mouth and getting butt hurt, and not listening.  Your probably the same type of person that will say trial dogs don't make good hunting dogs, yet you don't understand why people say that, all your doing is repeating something someone else told you.  You don't understand why there is so much emphasize put on wild birds. .  In the South,  especially in the AF world, people with knowledge don't say that!  I'm sorry your tired of hearing about WA states shortcomings when it comes to bird dogs.  You can't fix the problem unless you know why the problem exists.  I'm sorry you can't handle the truth.

Did you use the voice when you typed that out??  I'm not always repeating what other people told me like you do with what your trainer told you about dog training but, when I do it's coming from someone who's done a lot more than you will ever do.. 

[Happy Gilmore]

No, the OP's post was about why WA doesn't have field trial grounds like they do in other states.   In order to understand why WA doesn't,  you have to understand why other states do. The stuff your tired of hearing IS the reason we don't have those types of grounds.  Sorry your tired of hearing the truth and facts, but those are the truths and facts!......You don't understand pointing dog field trials.  You don't understand that in the PNW, there is almost no emphasis on wild bird trials.  In other places in the country, especially in the AF world, that's the main emphasis.  You don't understand why most pros in the Midwest and South spend their summers in the prairies on wild birds, while very few, if any Pros in the PNW do.  There's a reason for it, but you will never know because your too busy spouting off at the mouth and getting butt hurt, and not listening.  Your probably the same type of person that will say trial dogs don't make good hunting dogs, yet you don't understand why people say that, all your doing is repeating something someone else told you.  You don't understand why there is so much emphasize put on wild birds. .  In the South,  especially in the AF world, people with knowledge don't say that!  I'm sorry your tired of hearing about WA states shortcomings when it comes to bird dogs.  You can't fix the problem unless you know why the problem exists.  I'm sorry you can't handle the truth.

I have never said that at all. What I did hear you say over and over is that all those places are all wild birds. They are not. Ames plants PEN RAISED BIRDS FOR THE NATIONAL.... OMG!!!!!!!

[Colin]

For anyone who may be interested in helping add positive input to help protect our public resources and land available to all dog trainers we have a group of people planning on attending the upcoming commissioners meeting to present testimony regarding our history and need for open spaces. Our support is currently comprised of pointer groups, retriever folks and other dog fanciers. If you would like to help us improve Washington properties contact me. If you prefer to write about what we don't have compared to other states you live in just find somewhere else to live and comment how good it it is to be there. Thanks to the folks who care to help. There are alot of you helping I know which prefer not to comment on website...and those who pick up a weed wacker and a mower to put hands on the ground where you live and train your dogs because you love the sport and don't care if your neighborhood isn't the best bird producing area in the world please continue supporting us who are working hard to make it better.

The OP's post wasn't about trying to find training grounds.  The OP's post is about field trial grounds. I think it's great you guys have a grass root group trying to improve training opportunities in WA state.  What WA doesn't have is the big money and big names really backing the cause.  Let me give you an example.  Ted Turner has shooting dogs that he trials (bet you didn't know that).  Several years ago he bought the 9000 acre Naomi plantation in Georgia strictly for wild bird hunting and wild bird trials.  He also has a 42000 acre ranch in Kansas where they are doing the same thing.  I'm sure some day, when he's gone, that land will likely be turned over to the states, or set up in a trust for groups to run to manage for field trials and wild birds.  In WAS, we simply don't have that kind of support.  Why?  Because we don't have the history and the culture of bird dogs that they have in other parts of the country.  Sorry that makes you butt hurt, but that is the truth, and that's why not only does WA not have good trial grounds, you guys are struggling to even get good training grounds.  Its ashame too, because WA has the land and the birds to support a truely world class field trial grounds.  If you really want to help, continue doing what your doing, and then get as many kids as you can into bird dogs and upland hunting.   If you truely want support for your cause, that's where the support will come from.

I assume "field trials" is being used in the pointer field trials sense only?

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