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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2016, 08:21:32 PM »
I was piloting our lowboy to Yakima a couple years ago. At the bottom of the hill on 97 before Toppenish is a weigh station, it was open so we pulled in and we were ordered to park and get paperwork ready (permits) so we did. After the weigh master checked or paperwork he dipped my tank on my pickup truck, I said WTH? He said they dip all tanks because the farmers in the area are red fuel bandits.

Another time driving north on I/5 through Woodland I was pulled over by a State Patrol officer for my license plate light being out, he also dipped my tank.

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2016, 08:49:15 PM »
They crew that pulled our heating oil tank said the red heating oil wasn't low sulfur but is diesel. All the diesel sold on the water is dyed.
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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2016, 09:14:53 PM »
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4941.pdf

Must I Allow a Fuel Inspection?
The Internal Revenue Code provides that any person who refuses to allow an inspection will be fined
$1,000 for each refusal. The vehicle may then be detained until an inspection is done.

What are the Penalties?
Generally speaking, no dyed fuel may be used in highway vehicles. For each violation, the Internal
Revenue Code specifies a penalty of $1,000 or $10 per gallon, whichever is greater, plus payment of the
tax. States may impose additional fines.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=82.38.270

Violations—Penalties. (Effective until July 1, 2016.)
(1) It is unlawful for a person or corporation to:
(a) Have dyed diesel in the fuel supply tank of a vehicle that is licensed or required to be licensed for highway use or maintain dyed diesel in bulk storage for highway use, unless the person or corporation maintains an uncanceled dyed diesel user license or is otherwise exempted by this chapter;
(b) Evade a tax or fee imposed under this chapter;
(c) File a false statement of a material fact on a special fuel license application or special fuel refund application;
(d) Act as a special fuel importer, special fuel blender, or special fuel supplier unless the person holds an uncanceled special fuel license issued by the department authorizing the person to engage in that business;
(e) Knowingly assist another person to evade a tax or fee imposed by this chapter;
(f) Knowingly operate a conveyance for the purpose of hauling, transporting, or delivering special fuel in bulk and not possess an invoice, bill of sale, or other statement showing the name, address, and tax license number of the seller or consignor, the destination, the name, address, and tax license number of the purchaser or consignee, and the number of gallons.
(2)(a) A single violation of subsection (1)(a) of this section is a gross misdemeanor under chapter 9A.20 RCW.
(b) Multiple violations of subsection (1)(a) of this section and violations of subsection (1)(b) through (f) of this section are a class C felony under chapter 9A.20 RCW.
(3) In addition to other penalties and remedies provided by law, the court shall order a person or corporation found guilty of violating subsection (1)(b) through (f) of this section to:
(a) Pay the tax or fee evaded plus interest, commencing at the date the tax or fee was first due, at the rate of twelve percent per year, compounded monthly; and
(b) Pay a penalty of one hundred percent of the tax evaded, to the multimodal transportation account of the state.
(4) The tax imposed by this chapter is held in trust by the licensee until paid to the department, and a licensee who appropriates the tax to his or her own use or to any use other than the payment of the tax on the due date as prescribed in this chapter is guilty of a felony or gross misdemeanor in accordance with the theft and anticipatory provisions of Title 9A RCW. A person, partnership, corporation, or corporate officer who fails to pay to the department the tax imposed by this chapter is personally liable to the state for the amount of the tax.
[ 2007 c 515 § 30; 2003 c 358 § 14; 2000 2nd sp.s. c 4 § 10; 1995 c 287 § 4; 1979 c 40 § 19; 1977 c 26 § 4; 1971 ex.s. c 175 § 28.]
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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2016, 10:08:57 PM »
No Big Tex on this?

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2016, 10:17:06 PM »
Class C felony.  :yike:
Since it is tax related, I wonder if it falls under the list of 'white collar' crimes that don't really impact you--like loans, gun possession, school admission, etc.

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2016, 07:39:04 AM »
I noticed that AMSOIL sells several diesel fuel additives that just happen to include a dye.  Nicely played I think.

I don't believe that is correct
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/fuel-additives/

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2016, 10:14:11 AM »
Before all of the emission regulations started in 2007 with DPF equipped semis and trucks the red diesel was for off road only and had a higher btu rating and s higher sulfur content than the on road diesel( hence the Low sulfur only stickers at the pump). Low sulfur turned into ultra low sulfur around 2010 for the new round of EPA regulations.The Caterpillar class I took for the 2007 engine was informed that red diesel would plug up the DPf due to a higher btu and higher sulfur content. Now with tier 4 engines in new equipment that have to run ultra low sulfur I'm not sure if the red diesel is ultra low with dye or what. Like others have said red dye diesel is non taxable and for off road only. I wouldn't take the chance to save a few bucks :twocents:

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2016, 11:08:35 AM »
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I agree, just different colored bottles and labels.  I wonder if you could add something as simple as vegetable dye/food coloring to change the color to something completely different.  Might be worth it just to see the face of the inspector when he pulls out a test strip that is bright purple!


I really do wonder how they feel about people running Waste Vegetable Oil, and Waste motor oil.   Seems like they would be angry since they are not getting their fuel road tax on it. 

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2016, 11:12:22 AM »
If it was significant enough I would think they would find a way to squeeze some tax out of it.

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2016, 12:55:47 PM »
I noticed that AMSOIL sells several diesel fuel additives that just happen to include a dye.  Nicely played I think.

I don't believe that is correct
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/fuel-additives/

I agree, just different colored bottles and labels.  I wonder if you could add something as simple as vegetable dye/food coloring to change the color to something completely different.  Might be worth it just to see the face of the inspector when he pulls out a test strip that is bright purple!

I was curious.

Per Wikipedia - The dyes used have to be soluble in the fuels they are added to and therefore in hydrocarbon-based nonpolar solvents ("solvent dyes"). Red dyes are often various diazo dyes, e.g., Solvent Red 19, Solvent Red 24, and Solvent Red 26. Anthraquinone dyes are used for green and blue shades, e.g., Solvent Green 33, Solvent Blue 35 and Solvent Blue 26.

Before all of the emission regulations started in 2007 with DPF equipped semis and trucks the red diesel was for off road only and had a higher btu rating and s higher sulfur content than the on road diesel( hence the Low sulfur only stickers at the pump). Low sulfur turned into ultra low sulfur around 2010 for the new round of EPA regulations.The Caterpillar class I took for the 2007 engine was informed that red diesel would plug up the DPf due to a higher btu and higher sulfur content. Now with tier 4 engines in new equipment that have to run ultra low sulfur I'm not sure if the red diesel is ultra low with dye or what. Like others have said red dye diesel is non taxable and for off road only. I wouldn't take the chance to save a few bucks :twocents:

According to Masco Petroleum it is all the same now other than color and price.

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2016, 02:50:30 PM »
John Deere tractors all say to run ultra low sulfur diesel only these days as well


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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2016, 07:56:21 PM »
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I agree, just different colored bottles and labels.  I wonder if you could add something as simple as vegetable dye/food coloring to change the color to something completely different.  Might be worth it just to see the face of the inspector when he pulls out a test strip that is bright purple!


I really do wonder how they feel about people running Waste Vegetable Oil, and Waste motor oil.   Seems like they would be angry since they are not getting their fuel road tax on it.
There are rcws for wvo but not wmo. Wmo is considered no tax fuel. The one thing I'm not sure of is if the state has determined a % for additives.
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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2016, 06:41:32 AM »
I think if the IRS checked me and I had red fuel in the tank I would go the Loretta Lynch route and plead the 5th. I'm sure that would work and I would avoid a fine. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: dyed diesel in newer pickups
« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2016, 07:28:25 AM »
I think if the IRS checked me and I had red fuel in the tank I would go the Loretta Lynch route and plead the 5th. I'm sure that would work and I would avoid a fine. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

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