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Knight bighorn help!!
« on: July 30, 2016, 05:07:57 PM »
  Last year I killed a cow, and deer with my rifle.  Cleaned it and put it away.  Few weeks ago I started shooting at the range.  I've tried a 300, and 290 gr bullet with 110, and 120 gr of t7 22f, and 333f.  I can't get a group to save my ass this year.  Today I went back to the load I shot last year that gave me a 2 inch group at 100.  It won't shoot better than a 10 inch group now.  When I shoot the heavier bullets I'm looking at a three foot group.  I'm so damn frustrated right now.  I'm actually thinking about buying a new rifle for my bull hunt.
  Any ideas, or suggestions?  Watch for a bighorn in the classifieds real soon, with the disclaimer that I can't hit *censored* with it right now.

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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2016, 05:12:22 PM »
I can only suggest all the obvious stuff you've probably already tried. Tear it down, clean it and check everything is torqued down. I'm sure Sabotloader will chime in with some more meaningful info.

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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2016, 05:14:09 PM »
I can only suggest all the obvious stuff you've probably already tried. Tear it down, clean it and check everything is torqued down. I'm sure Sabotloader will chime in with some more meaningful info.
I even broke it down and cleaned with brush and patch between each shot!

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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2016, 06:08:08 PM »
  Last year I killed a cow, and deer with my rifle.  Cleaned it and put it away.  Few weeks ago I started shooting at the range.  I've tried a 300, and 290 gr bullet with 110, and 120 gr of t7 22f, and 333f.  I can't get a group to save my ass this year.  Today I went back to the load I shot last year that gave me a 2 inch group at 100.  It won't shoot better than a 10 inch group now.  When I shoot the heavier bullets I'm looking at a three foot group.  I'm so damn frustrated right now.  I'm actually thinking about buying a new rifle for my bull hunt.
  Any ideas, or suggestions?  Watch for a bighorn in the classifieds real soon, with the disclaimer that I can't hit *censored* with it right now.

I would bet it might be your barrel to stock fit... I do not know if your barrel was free floating last year but I would think that you will find the barrel is rubbing the stock in a couple of points and as the barrel heat the error gets larger....

Also might be the seat of the action in the stock.  Loosen the retaining screw and stand the rifle vertical.  Then lift the rifle off the floor and inch or so then drop it back to the floor to insure the barreled action is all the way to the rear - then tighten the retaining screw.

Here is a little write up that I wrote a long time ago that might help... After you check this if the problem persists let me know...

Checking the Fit of Knight stock


Rob, relieving the stickiness of that should be a really easy fix....

I wrote this up for a guy on Hunting Net the other day - i will repost it here. Look through it and see if it makes sense to you. I firmly believe the sticky stock will affect your accuracy...

Quote

Can i get a little info on making sure i don't have any stock to barrel issues? I have seen info on tv about how a free floating barrel helps and heard of different procedures of seating the barrel. I will be putting a new stock on my gun very soon (broke the original one), and don't want to have issues there.

I can share some information with you for sure... One thing to remember 'floating' a barrel is not the best for accuracy it is the ‘cheapest’ so that is why you see many companies floating barrels. Companies can not afford to spend the time (money) bedding a barrel to the stock properly so the best thing is to 'float' them. With a wood stock the temperature of the barrel on the wood will make the POI change unless they barrel is bedded in glass or some such feature. In a composite stock if the barrel were bedded into the barrel channel correctly the heat would not be a problem but the flexion of the forearm of the inexpensive stock create a POI shift - so the answer 'float' the barrel.

In your case... since I think you said you have a Knight and if you are getting a Knight composite stock you might not have any of these problems. When I put a barreled action in a Knight stock I set the action in the stock and start the lug screw in. Tighten it with the Allen wrench until it starts to pull the action down. Then stand the gun vertically with the recoil pad on the floor. Gently, and honestly i am not that gentle, tap the gun on the floor to assure that the recoil lug is all the way back in the pocket. Then tighten the lug screw up snugly to hold it all in place. Forgot to say make sure the ram rod is not in place.

When you have the lug screw in tight place the gun in a horizontal position and squeeze the nose of the forearm and the barrel together as tight as you can. If there is no movement – you’re done the barrel is seated on and in the barrel channel. Put the ram rod in and repeat the test. If the test is the same you’re done... go shoot it and give it a check for accuracy.

If during the squeeze test (ram rod removed) the barrel moves down into the stock or the stock moves up to the barrel... release the grip and note if the barrel moves (on its own) back to the original location. Everything should be good - the barrel is floating. Next repeat the test again noting where the barrel returns to. At this time grip the barrel and the forearm of the stock and pull them apart easily. If you feel the barrel stick at some point then you have a problem. If the barrel appears to lift slightly but when you release it - it returns to the original location and you feel no points of stickiness - you are good. Put the ram rod in and repeat the test.

During the squeeze testing if you felt some stickiness in the spring of the floating barrel you will then to do some very light sanding in the barrel channel to relieve the tight spot. You might be able to locate the tight spot by running a dollar bill under the barrel and between the stock to locate the tight spot. Do not sand any more than you need, in fact in my little world the thickness of a single dollar bill is the max thickness the barrel should be off the stock. I normal use a strip of white computer paper for this test it is thinner than a dollar bill - heck it might be worth more than the dollar bill also!!!

Hope this might help you... when you get your new stock and if I can help give a shout....

mike
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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2016, 06:59:50 PM »
  Last year I killed a cow, and deer with my rifle.  Cleaned it and put it away.  Few weeks ago I started shooting at the range.  I've tried a 300, and 290 gr bullet with 110, and 120 gr of t7 22f, and 333f.  I can't get a group to save my ass this year.  Today I went back to the load I shot last year that gave me a 2 inch group at 100.  It won't shoot better than a 10 inch group now.  When I shoot the heavier bullets I'm looking at a three foot group.  I'm so damn frustrated right now.  I'm actually thinking about buying a new rifle for my bull hunt.
  Any ideas, or suggestions?  Watch for a bighorn in the classifieds real soon, with the disclaimer that I can't hit *censored* with it right now.

I would bet it might be your barrel to stock fit... I do not know if your barrel was free floating last year but I would think that you will find the barrel is rubbing the stock in a couple of points and as the barrel heat the error gets larger....

Also might be the seat of the action in the stock.  Loosen the retaining screw and stand the rifle vertical.  Then lift the rifle off the floor and inch or so then drop it back to the floor to insure the barreled action is all the way to the rear - then tighten the retaining screw.

Here is a little write up that I wrote a long time ago that might help... After you check this if the problem persists let me know...

Checking the Fit of Knight stock


Rob, relieving the stickiness of that should be a really easy fix....

I wrote this up for a guy on Hunting Net the other day - i will repost it here. Look through it and see if it makes sense to you. I firmly believe the sticky stock will affect your accuracy...

Quote

Can i get a little info on making sure i don't have any stock to barrel issues? I have seen info on tv about how a free floating barrel helps and heard of different procedures of seating the barrel. I will be putting a new stock on my gun very soon (broke the original one), and don't want to have issues there.

I can share some information with you for sure... One thing to remember 'floating' a barrel is not the best for accuracy it is the ‘cheapest’ so that is why you see many companies floating barrels. Companies can not afford to spend the time (money) bedding a barrel to the stock properly so the best thing is to 'float' them. With a wood stock the temperature of the barrel on the wood will make the POI change unless they barrel is bedded in glass or some such feature. In a composite stock if the barrel were bedded into the barrel channel correctly the heat would not be a problem but the flexion of the forearm of the inexpensive stock create a POI shift - so the answer 'float' the barrel.

In your case... since I think you said you have a Knight and if you are getting a Knight composite stock you might not have any of these problems. When I put a barreled action in a Knight stock I set the action in the stock and start the lug screw in. Tighten it with the Allen wrench until it starts to pull the action down. Then stand the gun vertically with the recoil pad on the floor. Gently, and honestly i am not that gentle, tap the gun on the floor to assure that the recoil lug is all the way back in the pocket. Then tighten the lug screw up snugly to hold it all in place. Forgot to say make sure the ram rod is not in place.

When you have the lug screw in tight place the gun in a horizontal position and squeeze the nose of the forearm and the barrel together as tight as you can. If there is no movement – you’re done the barrel is seated on and in the barrel channel. Put the ram rod in and repeat the test. If the test is the same you’re done... go shoot it and give it a check for accuracy.

If during the squeeze test (ram rod removed) the barrel moves down into the stock or the stock moves up to the barrel... release the grip and note if the barrel moves (on its own) back to the original location. Everything should be good - the barrel is floating. Next repeat the test again noting where the barrel returns to. At this time grip the barrel and the forearm of the stock and pull them apart easily. If you feel the barrel stick at some point then you have a problem. If the barrel appears to lift slightly but when you release it - it returns to the original location and you feel no points of stickiness - you are good. Put the ram rod in and repeat the test.

During the squeeze testing if you felt some stickiness in the spring of the floating barrel you will then to do some very light sanding in the barrel channel to relieve the tight spot. You might be able to locate the tight spot by running a dollar bill under the barrel and between the stock to locate the tight spot. Do not sand any more than you need, in fact in my little world the thickness of a single dollar bill is the max thickness the barrel should be off the stock. I normal use a strip of white computer paper for this test it is thinner than a dollar bill - heck it might be worth more than the dollar bill also!!!

Hope this might help you... when you get your new stock and if I can help give a shout....

mike
ill check it when I break it down and clean it after dinner.  Thanks.

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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2016, 09:02:20 PM »
Just got done cleaning and putting it back together.  Everything looks like it's fitting fine.  One good thing is that my wife gave me the ok on a new rifle.  Looks like I'll start shopping around.  I'll keep fiddling with the knight.

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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2016, 01:21:47 AM »
Let us know if you figure out the problem
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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2016, 07:26:22 AM »
Are you shooting brand new powder or last season's powder

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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2016, 08:25:21 AM »
My bighorn shot horrible with 120grn of 777, I had to drop down to 100grn of ffg 777, then I got about 3inch groups at 100yards! Any more powder and I was all over the place! I bet your shooting too much powder!
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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2016, 10:04:41 AM »
Are you shooting brand new powder or last season's powder
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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2016, 10:07:09 AM »
My bighorn shot horrible with 120grn of 777, I had to drop down to 100grn of ffg 777, then I got about 3inch groups at 100yards! Any more powder and I was all over the place! I bet your shooting too much powder!
110 is what I shot also last year,  next time I hit the range I'll try shooting 100.  Thanks.

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Re: Knight bighorn help!!
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 01:00:19 PM »
I shoot 100 grain 777 with a 275 grain bloodline my guns a disc extreme but I'm sure they are the same barrels and the guys right maybe try a lesser powder sounds like you need to start from ground zerostart at 90 and work up. I had a problem with my Remington before sort of doing what you're is and the culprit was my nipple was worn and not seating the cap on 100 percent there fore not firing the powder as hot as it should have been new nipple and no more problems

 


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