Death in family, 594, FFl, gun transfers advice please

[Stickerbush]

Several months back we lost an uncle in my family. His wife is getting to the point where she is looking to offload some of his guns. She spoke with her lawyer who advised her to use an FFL which is obviously safe law advice considering 594. I have been told that transfers don't need FFl if it is in the family all the way to first cousin. Could I theoretically have her pass it to my father who then passes it to me? Or have her pass it to her daughter who is my first cousin? Or do I need to use FFL in this case.

The only shop I spoke with charges $100 per gun, the amount of guns in this collection is a significant amount. I would be buying 3-5 so it could get very costly to do these transfers. Not to mention having to haul my aunt to whatever gun shop to do all this paperwork. Any advice on these matters appreciated

thanks

[Mark Brenckle]

$100 per?!? I'd shop around, maybe you can get a package deal... I  personally wouldn't skirt around it with multiple 'legal' transfers.

[Fl0und3rz]

Serial exempt transfers are also exempt (e.g., brother to brother then father to son). Nephews are also covered.

(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, children, siblings, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift;

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113

[j_h_nimrod]

I say do what you can legally to obtain these guns without the ridiculous i594 paperwork, especially at $100 each!  That is outright robbery!  My guess is most of these guns preempt i594 so I would do what I could to keep That information out of the hands of politicians.

[Fl0und3rz]

And off the internet.

[Dan-o]

Serial exempt transfers are also exempt (e.g., brother to brother then father to son). Nephews are also covered.

(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, children, siblings, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift;

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113

Flounder to the rescue.     

If you decide that you need to go through an FFL, you can find them for $25 just about everywhere - and get a volume discount if it's more than 1-2 guns.

[carpsniperg2]

100 is way to much. 25-35 is about right. I only charge 25.00

I am no lawyer, so this is just my thoughts on the laws. The exemption listed above is from gifting "bona fide gift". If you are BUYING them, I would for sure go with a ffl transfer as it is a purchase.

[Fl0und3rz]

Or you can make an unrelated gift of cash or property.

[trophyhunt]

Just say it was gifted, screw the law!

[Stickerbush]

Thanks for the info

[Stickerbush]

BTW anyone know of any of these FFL dealers in the Seattle area? I found one that charges 35 but they are a bit out of town

[Widgeondeke]

That's the problem: Seattle

Most shops will charge more.   You need to find an independent FFL.  I recall one of the gun auction sites has a search feature. That's how I found my guy in Machias, $25 each. 
Found it

http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/DealerNetwork.aspx

[Bob33]

BTW anyone know of any of these FFL dealers in the Seattle area? I found one that charges 35 but they are a bit out of town

You might check with Outdoor Emporium. They had reasonable fees when 594 was first enacted.

[Russ McDonald]

The is one in Puyallup I think it is call Brown Bag Ammo.  If I remember he has a sing that says $35 FFL transfer.

[DJ_Mack]

With the high prices it would be worth driving to Everett.  Sound Pawn & Loan in Everett charges 15$ ffl transfers FYI.

[luvmystang67]

There is not one question in my mind.  If you have a family tie as you've stated, there is no need for an FFL.  Make two layers of bona-fide gifts and call it over with.  This is legal per the law.  The state can cram it.  Don't give them any more than  you have to and you DO NOT have to do this.

Nobody has been tried under this law yet, probably partially because its damn near impossible to prove, but I think also prosecutors are afraid to touch it.

Regardless, a "double pass" through family should be no big deal.  There's nothing written in the law that could get you if this is your path.   

[jmscon]

Precise Shooter in Lynnwood is $25 per.

[Fl0und3rz]

Precise Shooter in Lynnwood is $25 per.

Good guy, too, for future reference.  Moved out of Seattle as a result of the anti-2A taxes.  Worthy of support. 

[Dan-o]

Seakev on here is also great to work with. 

He is near seatac airport. 

[JimmyHoffa]

Yeah, the $100 per sounds a bit high.  One store I talked to said they did $40 per form, which was between one and five guns.

[csaaphill]

And off the internet.

[csaaphill]

Just say it was gifted, screw the law!

[fireweed]

What about the probate process?  Note to grandparents--give your guns to family sooner rather than later...

[smittyJ]

BTW anyone know of any of these FFL dealers in the Seattle area? I found one that charges 35 but they are a bit out of town

You might check with Outdoor Emporium. They had reasonable fees when 594 was first enacted.

Does the Seattle $25 tax per gun apply to transfers?

[Fungunnin]

Pinto's Guns in Renton is another good choice. Great people and you can probably get a break on multiple guns. 

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[bobcat]

I would not go through an FFL when it is a family transaction.

[magnanimous_j]

I wouldn't hesitate for a second to just take them. In the one in a billion chance you were ever asked about it, just say he gave them to you (or you bought them off him) before the law passed. Even if any of the guns were manufactured after 2014, I still doubt the cops would spend any effort going after you. 100 bucks a piece is robbery. 

[ribka]

You're the last person I would take advice from regarding firearms
 

[ribka]

"(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, children, siblings, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift;"

I would see if this meets the definition of a gift according to the RCW before following advice on an open Forum here to possibly circumvent the law.

as mentioned $20 max to fill out the 4473's if required

good luck

[Stickerbush]

all good suggestions, I found as low as 25 for FFL. But if I am gifted the firearm then that is a lot easier obviously

[MacAttack]

BTW anyone know of any of these FFL dealers in the Seattle area? I found one that charges 35 but they are a bit out of town

Pinto's in DT Renton does it for $35. Bought a lower from carpsniper and had it shipped there. Pretty easy to deal with.

[smittyJ]

I'd call the WAC, Washington arms collectors, they have guys that only charge $10.