White Pass Area Wolves

[RG]

I spoke to several muzzleloader hunters a few days ago who were in a pack-in camp south of White Pass near the PCT  they told me they clearly heard wolves howling near their camp.   It seemed like their story was credible

[Naches Sportsman]

They're in there. The bios cameras don't lie.

[Dan-o]

Have you seen photos of wolves near White pass from Bio cams?

[Naches Sportsman]

Have you seen photos of wolves near White pass from Bio cams?

Trail cams. Yes. Seen pictures someone took of puppies as well.

[KFhunter]

getting closer 

[Dan-o]

Have you seen photos of wolves near White pass from Bio cams?

Trail cams. Yes. Seen pictures someone took of puppies as well.

Interesting......   thanks.

It would be interesting to get a pack acknowledged on the west side

[Bango skank]

Have you seen photos of wolves near White pass from Bio cams?

Trail cams. Yes. Seen pictures someone took of puppies as well.

Interesting......   thanks.

It would be interesting to get a pack acknowledged on the west side

  cant get half our wolves acknowledged here, good luck.  Its a big smoke job.

[yakimarcher]

I know someone who saw a wolf up short and dirty in the summer of 2014 and talked to a guy up pine-grass who saw a radio collared wolf from his tree-stand on the opening day of late season 2013.

[TheHunt]

Shaaaaaaaa  Wackkkkkkkkkkkkk       

[Elkrunner]

I know someone who saw a wolf up short and dirty in the summer of 2014 and talked to a guy up pine-grass who saw a radio collared wolf from his tree-stand on the opening day of late season 2013.

Did they say the collared was a grey female?  I know someone that mentioned seeing one with a Black male and several pups.  This person does tell the occasional "Fish tale", so I took it with a grain of salt.

In our camp, we have from anywhere form 20-25 cams out all summer and have never had one on cam. 

[92xj]

The wolves are multiplying a lot more than everyone thinks and the elk numbers have dropped significantly. Better start heading to the southwest and southeast gmus if you want to see elk. Especially archery hunters, that's when the wolf activity is the greatest and it's not worth hunting elk there and then.

[predatorpro]

I know someone who saw a wolf up short and dirty in the summer of 2014 and talked to a guy up pine-grass who saw a radio collared wolf from his tree-stand on the opening day of late season 2013.

Had one about 50 yards from me in the cowiche not too far from short and dirty 2 years ago

[emac]

The wolves are multiplying a lot more than everyone thinks and the elk numbers have dropped significantly. Better start heading to the southwest and southeast gmus if you want to see elk. Especially archery hunters, that's when the wolf activity is the greatest and it's not worth hunting elk there and then.

I wouldn't bank on the southeast corner much more. The wolf numbers are rapidly increasing there also

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[yakimarcher]

I know someone who saw a wolf up short and dirty in the summer of 2014 and talked to a guy up pine-grass who saw a radio collared wolf from his tree-stand on the opening day of late season 2013.

Did they say the collared was a grey female?  I know someone that mentioned seeing one with a Black male and several pups.  This person does tell the occasional "Fish tale", so I took it with a grain of salt.

In our camp, we have from anywhere form 20-25 cams out all summer and have never had one on cam. 

That's the guy

[bracer40]

I'm not saying there are or are not wolves in the area.  But I remember talking to  couple of guys up high in the Cowiche during late archery elk season who were certain the tracks On the road (good snow for tracking) were wolves and that was why we weren't seeing the usually higher numbers of elk.
He wouldn't believe me when I told him those tracks had been made by dogs running alongside the truck that was towing his kids on sleds.


Of course when he started blaming all the problems he encountered in the woods on "the no good, toothless Mexicans and Indians) it was all I could do to not laugh in his face. Not only was he a racist, but he was also missing half of his front teeth!

[Elkrunner]

I know someone who saw a wolf up short and dirty in the summer of 2014 and talked to a guy up pine-grass who saw a radio collared wolf from his tree-stand on the opening day of late season 2013.

Did they say the collared was a grey female?  I know someone that mentioned seeing one with a Black male and several pups.  This person does tell the occasional "Fish tale", so I took it with a grain of salt.

In our camp, we have from anywhere form 20-25 cams out all summer and have never had one on cam. 

That's the guy

Was he wearing a Gilly Suit or something of that nature with fake leaves all over it?

[Elkrunner]

I know someone who saw a wolf up short and dirty in the summer of 2014 and talked to a guy up pine-grass who saw a radio collared wolf from his tree-stand on the opening day of late season 2013.

Did they say the collared was a grey female?  I know someone that mentioned seeing one with a Black male and several pups.  This person does tell the occasional "Fish tale", so I took it with a grain of salt.

In our camp, we have from anywhere form 20-25 cams out all summer and have never had one on cam. 

That's the guy

Was he wearing a Gilly Suit or something of that nature with fake leaves all over it?

Also, did he call them WOOFS??

[yakimarcher]

I know someone who saw a wolf up short and dirty in the summer of 2014 and talked to a guy up pine-grass who saw a radio collared wolf from his tree-stand on the opening day of late season 2013.

Did they say the collared was a grey female?  I know someone that mentioned seeing one with a Black male and several pups.  This person does tell the occasional "Fish tale", so I took it with a grain of salt.

In our camp, we have from anywhere form 20-25 cams out all summer and have never had one on cam. 

That's the guy

Was he wearing a Gilly Suit or something of that nature with fake leaves all over it?

I think he did call the woofs, but I don't recall a Gilly suit.

[Elkrunner]

I recall the time.  I do know that that year in particular it seemed to be awfully quiet around there.  I guess its possible. 

[wonder]

Question, if you still have coyotes in the area that is a good sign that wolves have not completely taken over the area right?

We were up in Pine-Grass during opening week of Archery Elk and we heard several packs working the area.  First one did sound like wolves but the second one was definitely coyotes and I ranged one at 110 yds. 

[Elkrunner]

Question, if you still have coyotes in the area that is a good sign that wolves have not completely taken over the area right?

We were up in Pine-Grass during opening week of Archery Elk and we heard several packs working the area.  First one did sound like wolves but the second one was definitely coyotes and I ranged one at 110 yds. 

I've never heard this.  Im curious what peoples thoughts are on it. 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Question, if you still have coyotes in the area that is a good sign that wolves have not completely taken over the area right?

We were up in Pine-Grass during opening week of Archery Elk and we heard several packs working the area.  First one did sound like wolves but the second one was definitely coyotes and I ranged one at 110 yds. 

I've never heard this.  Im curious what peoples thoughts are on it. 

definitely not.  There are still plenty of coyotes in wolf areas.

[92xj]

Plenty of yotes living up there with the wolves in pinegrass.

[Elkrunner]

xj..I'm trying to dig through some of my cam pics. I swear that one night pic was a wolf.  It was on pinegrass.  I'll post it if I can find it.  I'm no longer doubting the ted-rowes stories with these types of reports. 

[Huntin Hounds]

From my understanding wolves will reduce coyote populations at first but they recover quickly. There are plenty of coyotes where I hunt in Idaho that is occupied by wolves. My belief is that if you hear coyotes there are most likely no wolves in the general area.

[hogslayer]

There up there. I had one howling 100 yards from my tent this year.

[branches]

What area was your camp? I spend some time in that area.

[Buzz2401]

Three from my hunting party seen a group of wolves on Darland Mt.  about 4-5 years ago.

[Elkrunner]

Sounds like I may start looking at new areas to hunt. 

[Skyvalhunter]

Unfortunately I believe that wolf spotting is going to be the more common thing and less spotting of big game animals.

[Naches Sportsman]

Sounds like I may start looking at new areas to hunt.

Remember that pic you were asking about last year? Now you know partially what he is doing.

[AspenBud]

Question, if you still have coyotes in the area that is a good sign that wolves have not completely taken over the area right?

No. Coyotes have not gained a reputation for being the ultimate survivalists by being stupid. They lived with impunity for decades, then the wolves came back and killed off the dumb and unlucky ones, and now you have the remainder that have figured things out.

[acrocker]

I saw what I thought was a wolf in about 2005 or 2006 up above Gold Creek, just off Hwy 410 near Whistlin' Jack Lodge. I couldn't believe it at the time but I knew darn well what I saw wasn't any coyote - it was huge, over 7' from nose to tip of tail, and classic gray/whitish wolf color. After thinking it over for several days I finally called the local WDFW office. When I explained what I saw to the call taker, she IMMEDIATELY put me on hold and transferred me DIRECTLY to the regional biologist who proceeded to quiz me thoroughly on what I thought I'd seen, the exact location, the time of day, etc.

In the end, he told me that they had several other sightings in the general area in addition to mine. He wouldn't confirm that they were there, but did tell me that they thought there might be someone releasing 'hybrids' in the area. I'm no expert, but the animal I saw sure didn't look like any wolf/dog hybrid - it was classic wolf, and massive in size.

I'm thinking there are a lot more wolves than anybody realizes, and they are in a lot of areas that we don't even suspect yet. My concern is if WDFW doesn't get out in front of managing them, it might be too late for our deer and elk herds at some point...

[wonder]

Thanks for the feedback gentlemen.  It has been a curiosity question of mine for some time.  I guess sooner or later all the Apex predators will adapt too and even out their territories.  Adding in the wolf to this mix is just something that we all don't have the answers to just yet?  I kind of thought it would happen faster in Washington, that is the appearance of wolves in all our normal hunting grounds similar to what's happened in all our neighboring states.  Maybe it actually has?

What do you guys think is slowing them down if at all from populating the western hunting grounds where we also have large herds?

[AspenBud]

Thanks for the feedback gentlemen.  It has been a curiosity question of mine for some time.  I guess sooner or later all the Apex predators will adapt too and even out their territories.  Adding in the wolf to this mix is just something that we all don't have the answers to just yet?  I kind of thought it would happen faster in Washington, that is the appearance of wolves in all our normal hunting grounds similar to what's happened in all our neighboring states.  Maybe it actually has?

What do you guys think is slowing them down if at all from populating the western hunting grounds where we also have large herds?

People.

There are more people in western Washington alone than in all of Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and combined. That means wolves have considerably more hazards to deal with here than they do in those wide open spaces in less populated states that they started in.

[Elkrunner]

Sounds like I may start looking at new areas to hunt.

Remember that pic you were asking about last year? Now you know partially what he is doing.

So it's not the owls?

[nbk]

Plenty of yotes living up there with the wolves in pinegrass.

Wolf track? or? Section 3 lake road approx. 1/4 mile from the "lake"

[yakimarcher]

I don't think that's a wolf nbk

[nbk]

I don't think that's a wolf nbk

Cat?

[huntandjeep]

I don't think that's a wolf nbk

[Sdpotter]

This is what I believe and what I have witnessed being a wolf trapper and an Alaska resident for over forty years. Wolves are very prolific and once established cannot be managed without an aggressive predator control management system. They cannot be over hunted or over trapped. They will take young, or old, or healthy adult ungulates, it doesn't seem to matter, and sometimes come to the outskirts of our town and kill whole dog teams. When some of the pack disperses they will often travel long distances to set up new areas. This is why once established they gain great grounds in a few years. They make their living with their teeth and their prey dies a violent death. I have seen sport killing when the game is plentiful I believe to train their pups. It is my opinion, before too long, you guys in Washington will see a serious downward swing in deer and elk. Unfortunately in your state with its trapping regulations and the average urban sentiment concerning wolves and your state's politics, you have a long row to hoe.

[Idabooner]

This is what I believe and what I have witnessed being a wolf trapper and an Alaska resident for over forty years. Wolves are very prolific and once established cannot be managed without an aggressive predator control management system. They cannot be over hunted or over trapped. They will take young, or old, or healthy adult ungulates, it doesn't seem to matter, and sometimes come to the outskirts of our town and kill whole dog teams. When some of the pack disperses they will often travel long distances to set up new areas. This is why once established they gain great grounds in a few years. They make their living with their teeth and their prey dies a violent death. I have seen sport killing when the game is plentiful I believe to train their pups. It is my opinion, before too long, you guys in Washington will see a serious downward swing in deer and elk. Unfortunately in your state with its trapping regulations and the average urban sentiment concerning wolves and your state's politics, you have a long row to hoe.

Thanks for a good post from some body that has been there.

[clockwork]

This is what I believe and what I have witnessed being a wolf trapper and an Alaska resident for over forty years. Wolves are very prolific and once established cannot be managed without an aggressive predator control management system. They cannot be over hunted or over trapped. They will take young, or old, or healthy adult ungulates, it doesn't seem to matter, and sometimes come to the outskirts of our town and kill whole dog teams. When some of the pack disperses they will often travel long distances to set up new areas. This is why once established they gain great grounds in a few years. They make their living with their teeth and their prey dies a violent death. I have seen sport killing when the game is plentiful I believe to train their pups. It is my opinion, before too long, you guys in Washington will see a serious downward swing in deer and elk. Unfortunately in your state with its trapping regulations and the average urban sentiment concerning wolves and your state's politics, you have a long row to hoe.

If they can't be overhunted, how is it that they were once and largely still are eradicated from the lower 48?

[hughjorgan]

This is what I believe and what I have witnessed being a wolf trapper and an Alaska resident for over forty years. Wolves are very prolific and once established cannot be managed without an aggressive predator control management system. They cannot be over hunted or over trapped. They will take young, or old, or healthy adult ungulates, it doesn't seem to matter, and sometimes come to the outskirts of our town and kill whole dog teams. When some of the pack disperses they will often travel long distances to set up new areas. This is why once established they gain great grounds in a few years. They make their living with their teeth and their prey dies a violent death. I have seen sport killing when the game is plentiful I believe to train their pups. It is my opinion, before too long, you guys in Washington will see a serious downward swing in deer and elk. Unfortunately in your state with its trapping regulations and the average urban sentiment concerning wolves and your state's politics, you have a long row to hoe.

If they can't be overhunted, how is it that they were once and largely still are eradicated from the lower 48?

It's called poison!

[Sdpotter]

That's exactly right, poison. Although effective, it was not target effective, killing any and all furbearers that had eaten it. It was used here at one time and I had heard stories from old timers  seeing marten, fox, wolverine, ravens, as well as wolves laying within sight of the poisoned bait. Denning was also prevalent; digging out the pups and killing them. The indigenous peoples here used that technique years ago for their own wolf control.

[yakimarcher]

I don't think that's a wolf nbk

Cat?

I'm no expert but i would say its a cougar.

[millerwheeler]

I don't think that's a wolf nbk

Cat?

I'm no expert but i would say its a cougar.

I'd say no on cougar not enough toes, large coyote I think

[Elkrunner]

It's a wolf I bet.  They are starting to move into that area. 

[jdb]

Do I have proof of this?