Dayton quality bull down **scored now**

[huntnfmly]

The fact is nobody in that hunting party needs to prove to us that they did have permission

[tjthebest]

It's kinda sad that it is possible to hunt that land for free with the WDFW Hunt by Reservation program. You would think that the punishments wouldn't be as severe in this case?

[DaveMonti]

Does ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally?  Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?

Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.

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The facts are that the OP said it was shot on state land, then corrected to national forest.  The pictures he posted show the elk on private land.

The fact is that what people "say" are not necessarily "facts". 

Hmmm, I seem to remember a fairly recent case where a bull was MOVED before it was field dressed.  I'm sure pictures with the location stamp were taken there as well. 

For those of you searching for "facts", you won't find any on here.  You will find speculation and second hand accounts (at BEST, second hand), so just chill out with your "forum investigation" and wait for a report about this incident from a trusted source, not some nameless, faceless forum poster. 

If you are entertained by useless speculation, just go read the Bullwinkle thread.  See how many FACTS came out of thousands of posts on that thread. 
There are no "facts" on this forum.

The only problem with your sarcasm towards the Bullwinkle thread is that that majority were right. That does not support your theory of useless speculation when it was actually true in the end??? How bout this time on this thread you could let those who have the knowledge of the incident speak without your cynicism. 

Of course with thousands of posts on the Bullwinkle threads, maybe even tens of thousands, some of the "facts" can certainly end up being true.  After months and months of speculation, conflicting "facts", stories, and claims, and thousands of bits if information, you are going to hold the Bullwinkle threads up as factual "evidence" of somebody's wrongdoing?  This is your argument?  "Eventually, the Bullwinkle thread was right"?  After all that speculation, you are saying that my "theory" about useless speculation isn't valid because a few (and not the "majority") of the supposed thousands of "facts" on those threads were right "eventually"? 

I have no skin in this game.  I don't know anyone who does have skin in this, nobody accused in this or the Bullwinkle thread.  What I do know is that I'm as entitled as anyone to "stir the pot" based on what what I see as ridiculous speculation, claims, and "fact" searching and without getting personal, insulting, or demeaning. 

huntnfmly is right, nobody is obligated to prove to any of us about what happened. 

As far as Those with Knowledge posting on this thread, where are they?  Am I and my cynicism preventing "Those with Knowledge" from posting the true facts?  You give me much more credit than I am worthy of.  But then again, you point to the Bullwinkle thread as "factual". 

[MtnMuley]

"huntnfmly is right, nobody is obligated to prove to any of us about what happened"

I would agree with if the OP didn't post a couple different stories how it went down and then share pics with embedded info showing it to be on private ground and was called out by a couple Dayton locals with knowledge..........

[M_ray]

Does ANYBODY on here KNOW if this animal was taken illegally?  Is THE landowner on here and knows that they did not have permission to hunt ?

Apparently you haven't read the entire thread and seen the pics posted with GPS co-ordinates and the picture of the harvest location being located on private ground. I'd guess more will come out in due time.

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The facts are that the OP said it was shot on state land, then corrected to national forest.  The pictures he posted show the elk on private land.

The fact is that what people "say" are not necessarily "facts". 

Hmmm, I seem to remember a fairly recent case where a bull was MOVED before it was field dressed.  I'm sure pictures with the location stamp were taken there as well. 

For those of you searching for "facts", you won't find any on here.  You will find speculation and second hand accounts (at BEST, second hand), so just chill out with your "forum investigation" and wait for a report about this incident from a trusted source, not some nameless, faceless forum poster. 

If you are entertained by useless speculation, just go read the Bullwinkle thread.  See how many FACTS came out of thousands of posts on that thread. 
There are no "facts" on this forum.

The only problem with your sarcasm towards the Bullwinkle thread is that that majority were right. That does not support your theory of useless speculation when it was actually true in the end??? How bout this time on this thread you could let those who have the knowledge of the incident speak without your cynicism. 

Of course with thousands of posts on the Bullwinkle threads, maybe even tens of thousands, some of the "facts" can certainly end up being true.  After months and months of speculation, conflicting "facts", stories, and claims, and thousands of bits if information, you are going to hold the Bullwinkle threads up as factual "evidence" of somebody's wrongdoing?  This is your argument?  "Eventually, the Bullwinkle thread was right"?  After all that speculation, you are saying that my "theory" about useless speculation isn't valid because a few (and not the "majority") of the supposed thousands of "facts" on those threads were right "eventually"? 

I have no skin in this game.  I don't know anyone who does have skin in this, nobody accused in this or the Bullwinkle thread.  What I do know is that I'm as entitled as anyone to "stir the pot" based on what what I see as ridiculous speculation, claims, and "fact" searching and without getting personal, insulting, or demeaning. 

huntnfmly is right, nobody is obligated to prove to any of us about what happened. 

As far as Those with Knowledge posting on this thread, where are they?  Am I and my cynicism preventing "Those with Knowledge" from posting the true facts?  You give me much more credit than I am worthy of.  But then again, you point to the Bullwinkle thread as "factual".

  I didn't expect you would get it!

[huntnfmly]

What different stories? That he misspoke and called it state land then said forest land?
None of you have ever done That?
Or the pic of the Hunter and elk with the GPS coordinates? I'm pretty sure those pics were taken after the elk died not before

[Chad Osterholtz]

Uhh... One of the pics with GPS was obviously taken at the harvest site, the bull is clearly whole and intact... You can see in the other GPS embedded pic that they cut it up and packed it out... So 

[huntnfmly]

Uh
What I'm saying is no one has ever heard of animals running after they've been shot
So.....

[Chad Osterholtz]

But what you're not realizing is that the OP originally said that the guy pulled the trigger and you could hear a thwack... then the elk took a couple steps and hit the ground. You see... what everyone has a problem with is that every time more and more information came out, he edited the story. So... yes we've all heard of animals traveling some distance after an indirect hit, but that is not the case here. The original story is that it was hit, took a few steps and expired. With the GPS pictures you can see that the harvest was clearly on private property... this is what everyone is talking about. Oh and I'm sorry to say it, but these are absolute facts. Pics and GPS don't lie.

[Skyvalhunter]

ABSOLUTE- Absolute is defined as something that is 100 percent complete with no exceptions.

[Chad Osterholtz]

Yes... And he ABSOLUTELY edited his original post and they ABSOLUTELY took the pictures of the harvest site on private land... So thanks for clearing that up!

[huntnfmly]

Was the private prop a reserve to hunt area?
Do you know ABSOLUTELY  know for sure that he didnt reserve it for that date?

[Woodchuck]

He's ABSOLUTELY dead.

[BULLBLASTER]

He's ABSOLUTELY dead.

 

[Mr Mykiss]

He is making crap up.  Not saying if it was wrong or not.  I just hate when guys on here start blasting a bunch of BS about crap they do not fully understand.

You're absolutely right man, I shouldn't have posted it. However I'm far from not fully understanding the situation, who is involved and the way it works down there on that mix of mostly private, ffth, register to hunt, hunt by written permission, and tiny bit o NF place where you'd better dang well know where you're standing, whom it belongs to and if and when you can and can not be there.
Also I'm basically going on what the couple of local folks have posted and I'm not hearing them call me out on it.
I'm out.