Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[Curly]

I would like to see 223 22-250 just added as exception just like cougar,keep the 24 caliber rule with the this exception of these two calibers which are good deer calibers in other states.And just make a ban on fmj,for all calibers to prevent wounded deer run offs.

"...just like cougar" means all .22 centerfire calibers are legal.

I'm not aware of any state that has specific caliber restrictions or allowances within a caliber measurement such as .22 or .24.

You posted the WY rules on post #20, page 1 of this thread.  They exclude .22 hornet in their requirements.

I suppose they could make it a 65 grain minimum. Or 60 grain, I think that's the way it is in Wyoming.

(b) For the taking of antelope, deer, mountain lion, or gray wolf where designated as a trophy game
animal, a hunter shall use:
(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .22 caliber (excluding .22 Hornet) and having a bullet
weight of at least sixty (60) grains and firing a cartridge of at least two (2) inches in overall length, or any other cartridge of at least .35 caliber and at least one and one-half (1.5) inches in overall length, and using an expanding point bullet;

[Bob33]

I would like to see 223 22-250 just added as exception just like cougar,keep the 24 caliber rule with the this exception of these two calibers which are good deer calibers in other states.And just make a ban on fmj,for all calibers to prevent wounded deer run offs.

"...just like cougar" means all .22 centerfire calibers are legal.

I'm not aware of any state that has specific caliber restrictions or allowances within a caliber measurement such as .22 or .24.

You posted the WY rules on post #20, page 1 of this thread.  They exclude .22 hornet in their requirements.

I suppose they could make it a 65 grain minimum. Or 60 grain, I think that's the way it is in Wyoming.

(b) For the taking of antelope, deer, mountain lion, or gray wolf where designated as a trophy game
animal, a hunter shall use:
(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .22 caliber (excluding .22 Hornet) and having a bullet
weight of at least sixty (60) grains and firing a cartridge of at least two (2) inches in overall length, or any other cartridge of at least .35 caliber and at least one and one-half (1.5) inches in overall length, and using an expanding point bullet;

You're right. You can use a 22 WCF in Wyoming to hunt deer.

[Curly]

Could a rifle chambered in 22 WCF even be able to accurately shoot 60 gr bullets?  Would anyone even try using an old outdated cartridge for deer or antelope?  Weren't they loaded with 45 gr bullets?

I'm just pointing out that they could exclude certain cartridges if they wish.  Even the 60 gr bullet criteria probably prohibits most .222 rem rifles from being able to be used since most probably won't be able to stabilize that large of a bullet.

[bowbuild]

I don't fully understand why you can't shoot coyotes in till deer season is over.U can shoot coyotes with any caliber.Bear might not be that great,they are kinda tough,and run a little farther.

because my deer tags are either Archery or Muzzle Loader. Which means I cannot carry a legal deer caliber rifle to coyote hunt during deer season. Its in the rule book

Wrong...you can't be in the field. This was covered in another thread. In your vehicle is legal.

[bajeep93]

I would like to see 223 22-250 just added as exception just like cougar,keep the 24 caliber rule with the this exception of these two calibers which are good deer calibers in other states.And just make a ban on fmj,for all calibers to prevent wounded deer run offs.

Then everyone would want to argue that 220 swift should have been added.



This whole thing makes me think of this

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[bobcat]

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11650265/Re:_223_on_deer,_our_experienc

[Ridgeratt]

Here is what someone thinks of a 223 wildcat. Thinks it might be undergunned.

The 277 Wolverine

[JJB11B]

Change it just don't allow people to hunt with AR-15 rifles

[2labs]

I would feel more comfy shooting a deer with my .204, 223 is kind of a dog! Sorry, where does it end? Leave it at 6mm

[Bob33]

I would feel more comfy shooting a deer with my .204, 223 is kind of a dog! Sorry, where does it end? Leave it at 6mm

With good bullets and shot placement, my 17 HMR is deadly and has more energy than the 25 ACP.

[konradcountry]

I would feel more comfy shooting a deer with my .204, 223 is kind of a dog! Sorry, where does it end? Leave it at 6mm

Yea I can't believe anyone would want to change the rule.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to go practice elk hunting with my 4" 380 auto.

[jackelope]

I guess the other thing that comes to mind is downrange energy. Why a modern firearm hunter would want to self-limit themselves to shots of less than 100 yards is something that makes me wonder.
Given the fact that this is more about having the freedom to do so rather than it being a good idea sort of trumps data, but I did pull 3 different ballistic charts. Lets use 200 yards for the sake of discussion. Is ~750 foot pounds of energy at 200 yards sufficient?

[jackelope]

Man, they're all showing sub-1k ft lbs of energy at 100 yards.

[jackelope]

Here's another since I realized those are all only 55 grain bullets.

[Stein]

I'm pretty sure the reason 22 rimfires aren't allowed is it's considered to be not powerful enough to consistently kill quickly and humanely. Pretty simple. Now why the 22-250 is not legal, I have no clue. Especially when you can legally hunt deer, bear, and elk with a 9mm Glock!   

Changing the minimum to .22 centerfire legalizes every .22, not just the 22-250. It includes very weak cartridges such as the 22 WCF which has maybe 250 ft lbs of energy.

If people can be trusted to use good judgment, 22 rimfires can be very effective as well.

That was just an example. The 22-250 isn't even questionable, in my mind, and my 22 WSSM is the pretty much the same. A rule could be written in such a way that would make the standard 223 Remington illegal but the 22-250 and 223 WSSM legal. It wouldn't necessarily have to be just a 22 centerfire minimum.

Who gets to decide which .22 calibers are "good enough"? What is the standard? If a 22-250 is good enough, why isn't a 222 Remington, or a 218 Bee, or a 22 Hornet, or all the wildcats that have more energy than a 22-250? What happens when a new .22 caliber centerfire is introduced with even more energy?

There will be more debates about why a caliber is in or out than the College Football Playoffs.

Do like Wyoming and have a minimum bullet weight, or pick a random amount of energy required at the muzzle, or simply name the specific cartridges that are legal. Writing a rule to allow some 223 caliber cartridges to be used doesn't seem like rocket science.

How can you verify bullet weight or muzzle velocity in the field?  A game warden would have to confiscate your rifle and ammo and send it to a lab for testing.

The question I have is what do we have to gain by changing the rule?  It seems to all boil down to 95% of the people wanting to hunt with a .223 AR and 5% wanting some random cartridge they have in the safe.

The way I see it is you either have a logical, enforceable limit or you don't.  Keep it or completely throw it out.  If you allow small caliber rounds with <1,000 ft lbs at 100 yards there really is no logical reason to not allow everything.