Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[hunter399]

I still need as many emails as I can get before Jan 1,If you would like this rule change to include 223 to hunt deer,please email Scott bird
Rules.Coordinator@dfw.wa.gov
And tell him what calibers you would like to hunt with and why , and thank you huntwashington for all the support.

[huntingfool7]

Sounds like you'd like to use your AR.  How about a 6x45?
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3004798#Post3004798

[jackelope]

They wouldn't need to specify what type of bullets would be legal. They don't now, why would that be necessary if the law was changed from 243 to 223 being the minimum legal caliber? I'd be fine with that change, but only for deer. It's a great caliber for kids, whether it's a 223 Remington, 22/250, 224 Weatherby, or 223 WSSM.

I have a 223 WSSM that would be perfect for my kids to hunt deer with. I've used it in Wyoming on both deer and antelope. A 65 grain bullet at 3,400 feet per second works very well.

A 165 grain .223 bullet?

[jackelope]

Lots of currently legal deer cartridges can be shot from an AR15 platform rifle. I disagree with the need for any change to the current law. It's just asking for more wounded and not recovered animals.

[Firedogg]

Why don't we give every dog in the parade a ribbon?  Geez why change the rule just because you want to shoot a .223.  Sell that gun, buy a .243 and be legal.

I guess I'm happy with the rule as it stands.

I already have two 243 ,i guess I just like the smaller caliber,what I want is 223 case necked up to take a 243 bullet,but they haven't came out with it that I know it,then u have best of both worlds ,i don't think I'm the only one that would use 223 ,if u like it the way it is I respect , and I will follow the regs.

It's a 6x45mm and while it's not a factory cartridge, has been a wildcat for years.

.243 wssm

[Dan-o]

Lots of currently legal deer cartridges can be shot from an AR15 platform rifle. I disagree with the need for any change to the current law. It's just asking for more wounded and not recovered animals.

This.  exactly this.

[lewy]

Using a 223 for bear is totally retarted

[jdb]

I suppose they could make it a 65 grain minimum. Or 60 grain, I think that's the way it is in Wyoming.

(b) For the taking of antelope, deer, mountain lion, or gray wolf where designated as a trophy game
animal, a hunter shall use:
(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .22 caliber (excluding .22 Hornet) and having a bullet
weight of at least sixty (60) grains and firing a cartridge of at least two (2) inches in overall length, or any other cartridge of at least .35 caliber and at least one and one-half (1.5) inches in overall length, and using an expanding point bullet;

So by that wording would a hard cast bullet from day a .44 magnum be legal??

[jdb]

Lots of currently legal deer cartridges can be shot from an AR15 platform rifle. I disagree with the need for any change to the current law. It's just asking for more wounded and not recovered animals.

This.  exactly this.

i concur

[257 Wby Mag]

I'm down, shot placement trumps headstamps everytime....

[bobcat]

They wouldn't need to specify what type of bullets would be legal. They don't now, why would that be necessary if the law was changed from 243 to 223 being the minimum legal caliber? I'd be fine with that change, but only for deer. It's a great caliber for kids, whether it's a 223 Remington, 22/250, 224 Weatherby, or 223 WSSM.

I have a 223 WSSM that would be perfect for my kids to hunt deer with. I've used it in Wyoming on both deer and antelope. A 65 grain bullet at 3,400 feet per second works very well.

A 165 grain .223 bullet?

No, a 65 grain bullet. Kills deer and antelope just fine.

[Dan-o]

I'm down, shot placement trumps headstamps everytime....

So, do you have any minimum caliber?   Any minimum muzzle energy?

I'm sure you could kill a deer with a .17 HMR, but that doesn't make it a good idea to try.

I'm not trying to be really argumentative, but a 243 just seems like a reasonable minimum to me (I know other guys who think a 243 is too small, so the question could go the other way as well.)

[257 Wby Mag]

I'm down, shot placement trumps headstamps everytime....

So, do you have any minimum caliber?   Any minimum muzzle energy?

I'm sure you could kill a deer with a .17 HMR, but that doesn't make it a good idea to try.

I'm not trying to be really argumentative, but a 243 just seems like a reasonable minimum to me (I know other guys who think a 243 is too small, so the question could go the other way as well.)

The 24's are giant killers.... I'd be happy with '224 minimum caliber, but that's me... btw,"knock down" power don't mean squat....

[hunter399]

I'm down, shot placement trumps headstamps everytime....

most good hunter know when to shot and not too,but in other hand I can take my 9mm handgun with 4in. barrel and try to kill a deer but 223 is a no go doesn't seem right

[carpsniperg2]

I am good either way. If it's just to use a AR style rifle I have been rocking a 6x45 for many years now and had several recoil sensitive people use it on deer in the past with great results. I also now have a 25x45 sharps. I like the Wyoming regs and the way they are if things did get changed. I would have no problem packing a 22-250 and 60 grain pill for deer sized game.