Guns in Wa. stadiums

[TLEVIN40]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/guns-sports-stadiums_us_584e34f7e4b0bd9c3dfd51fe

Maybe I missed someone else posting this or something similar. Thoughts?

[Ghost Hunter]

Stay out of the beer garden, I'm good with it.  And a lot of other soft targets.

[pianoman9701]

Thoughts? Heck no. Guns are scary.

The HP can have some good articles but ones like these always push my buttons. They give no facts, statistics, etc. They just paint a bleak picture of gun battles in the stadiums with enraged drunk spectators. It's ridiculous. I know the bill will never pass in this state but I wish it would.

[TLEVIN40]

With fights in stadiums almost every game just seems like trouble. I wonder if stadiums would go with a guns only section and put bullet proof glass around the section.

[Blacktail Sniper]

With fights in stadiums almost every game just seems like trouble. I wonder if stadiums would go with a guns only section and put bullet proof glass around the section.

That would be worse than marking "Gun Free Zones!"

[baker5150]

Just because they pass a law saying it's legal to carry in a stadium, doesn't mean we will be allowed to by the stadium itself..
My guess is nothing will change, even if this goes thru.

[TLEVIN40]

"As for firearms, House Bill 1015 would eliminate the stadiums’ ability to “prohibit persons with a valid concealed pistol license from carrying a concealed pistol in any facility or on any grounds of a facility.”

[pianoman9701]

Just because they pass a law saying it's legal to carry in a stadium, doesn't mean we will be allowed to by the stadium itself..
My guess is nothing will change, even if this goes thru.

You should read the article again. If the law passes, they won't be allowed to prohibit carry in their stadiums.

[pianoman9701]

Another one of those subjects where I just shake my head and "why?".  I"m sure there will be no end of "gun guys" who will think this is the best idea this week, hopefully the stadium management will simply say no.

And why do you think allowing concealed carry would be a bad idea? Someone carrying wouldn't be allowed to purchase alcohol, so the HP's fear of drunk, competition-crazed spectators is hogwash. And, concealed carriers are the most law-abiding demographic of any group in every category of crime from citations to murder. If the law were to pass, stadium management wouldn't be able to say "no". I guess I don't understand your objection based on the fact that one-in-ten Washingtonians are concealed carriers and we don't have massive shooting problems from them elsewhere. I hate that we have massive public events and good citizens are disarmed.

[Bob33]

Pretty simple really, what is the threat assessment for an NFL stadium?  What is the justification for possessing a firearm.  Let me ask you this, what reasonable objective would be achieved by this? 

Have you ever walked a mile or more in downtown Seattle on a dark night, to and from your parking spot, to attend an event at CenturyLink?

[npaull]

The HP can have some good articles but ones like these always push my buttons. They give no facts, statistics, etc. They just paint a bleak picture of gun battles in the stadiums with enraged drunk spectators. It's ridiculous. I know the bill will never pass in this state but I wish it would.

The Huffington Post has become a cesspool of PC hyper-liberal BS. And ironically I consider myself quite liberal! Although kinda more libertarian in a lot of ways these days...

Anyway I think the game theory of carrying in public for the most part makes it a foolish thing to do for the overwhelming majority of gun owners. And probably the last thing a stadium full of variously drunken, hyped-up people needs is yahoos carrying. Because it's hard for me to believe that for every responsible, cool-headed, useful-if-it-hits-the-fan carrying person in the stadium, there won't be several who - let's face it - probably aren't responsible enough to own power tools.

[npaull]

And, concealed carriers are the most law-abiding demographic of any group in every category of crime from citations to murder.

I concede that this is a compelling fact in many ways. However, if there ever were an environment in which an otherwise well-intentioned concealed carrier could lose control of their weapon...

[TLEVIN40]

I am intrigued by what caused this Bill to be written and if people in the game weren't able to buy alcohol because of possessing a firearm, they would just have there buddy buy them a beer if really wanted one. Tough to police that issue.

Not just the Huntington Post reporting on it, there are many news outlets. Hp just happened to be the one I copied.

Here is Sports Illustrated's article.
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/12/10/washington-guns-stadiums-bill-seahawks-mariners

[huntingbaldguy]

Pretty simple really, what is the threat assessment for an NFL stadium?  What is the justification for possessing a firearm.  Let me ask you this, what reasonable objective would be achieved by this?  Have you ever not attended a ball game because you couldn't carry inside?  Its pretty true to say that large events like this are extremely well policed and adding firearm carriers to the mix brings no added benefit.  But like a said, lots of gun guys are going to be thrilled.

Last i checked there's no justification required for a right.  The stadium was built using taxpayer money and a private organization tells us what we can and can't do there and the state does nothing.

[pianoman9701]

Pretty simple really, what is the threat assessment for an NFL stadium?  What is the justification for possessing a firearm.  Let me ask you this, what reasonable objective would be achieved by this?  Have you ever not attended a ball game because you couldn't carry inside?  Its pretty true to say that large events like this are extremely well policed and adding firearm carriers to the mix brings no added benefit.  But like a said, lots of gun guys are going to be thrilled.

What was the threat assessment for the stadium in Paris before that attack? We have a unique situation in the US where citizens are empowered to fight back in case of some kind of attack instead of waiting somewhere to die. I assert that had people been armed in Paris, Brussels, and Madrid, there's a good chance fewer people would've been murdered. I know of no tangible evidence available that suggests that legally armed American citizens are a threat to the safety of those around them except in very isolated instances.