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All Pp's are high drive and amazing just like all labs including show dogs are high drive... You're right. Lol.
Quote from: Colin on February 04, 2017, 09:40:47 PMI'm gonna have to come train with you guys as I don't know much about upland training and don't get to see those kinds of dogs work. Lemme know when you guys have a test. I'd be interested in watching! Sent from my SM-G900V using TapatalkAbsolutely colin. Our first test is may 19th to 21st. We will train a bunch this year and you can come out anytime.
I'm gonna have to come train with you guys as I don't know much about upland training and don't get to see those kinds of dogs work. Lemme know when you guys have a test. I'd be interested in watching! Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
Quote from: Colin on February 04, 2017, 09:21:28 PMWe will have to agree to disagree as I don't think a top level PP is gonna out retrieve a top level lab. The blind work you are comparing is apples and oranges and is very different than how a lab is trained to handle on a blind. Who knows maybe I'm wrong as i have only seen 2 PP's run marks. Sent from my SM-G900V using TapatalkYes that's where the training differences come in not the breed itself. Could I train my PP to handle 300yd blinds under complete control like a lab? Yes he is totally capable but once you go that way you can't go back. After I'm done testing Navhda Iwith cedar he will be trained like a lab to handle long blinds thus making him equal to a lab waterfowl hunting. My dog will do a 300 yd blind now but it won't be to test standards but if you shoot a winged cripple out at skagit headquarters and it goes 300yds into the cattail tidal marsh my dog I say back and he wil search an entire 300yd radius until he finds that duck and I can sit and drink coffee until he comes back and delivers to hand. That whole time I have no sight of him. Most labs guys would leave that bird.
We will have to agree to disagree as I don't think a top level PP is gonna out retrieve a top level lab. The blind work you are comparing is apples and oranges and is very different than how a lab is trained to handle on a blind. Who knows maybe I'm wrong as i have only seen 2 PP's run marks. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
Well mine does 300 yds in the marsh on cripples without me rooting a whistle and he doesn't even have to see me. All I say is heel... aim him and say back and he disappears. About 75% of the time he delivers the cripple to hand after about 30 mins of tearing the cattails up like a bulldozer...
Quote from: Colin on February 04, 2017, 09:21:28 PMWe will have to agree to disagree as I don't think a top level PP is gonna out retrieve a top level lab. The blind work you are comparing is apples and oranges and is very different than how a lab is trained to handle on a blind. Who knows maybe I'm wrong as i have only seen 2 PP's run marks. Sent from my SM-G900V using TapatalkAll respect here Colin. I'm not sure how you hunt, but i'm often in tidal water at a river or slough mouth, and if we do shoot a bird poorly and it falls at 150+ yards, not only can I generally not see that, I'm not going to send a dog into something I'm not sure of, on the swim of a lifetime across a multitude of currents. We'd just fire up the boat and go get em' at that point. So it really comes down to short 50-100 yard retrieves, if that, and the versatiles handle those just fine. No top level triple dipply blind across a cigar pond with extra gravy on the side type retrieves necessary.My comments about out retrieving, I mean most of the versatiles, especially the local PP's, will out 'leg' a lab and hang paw for paw on water marks.I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong; if I'm proved so this Summer, I'll be the first to say from there on out that the local versatiles are retrieving nearly as well as labs, or whatever we find out.
Quote from: addicted2hunting on February 04, 2017, 10:28:03 PMWell mine does 300 yds in the marsh on cripples without me rooting a whistle and he doesn't even have to see me. All I say is heel... aim him and say back and he disappears. About 75% of the time he delivers the cripple to hand after about 30 mins of tearing the cattails up like a bulldozer...Trailing a wounded bird and a blind has no relation. Trailing is fun. Blind running is 100% control. I've trained with a top navhda dog and he doesn't run blinds in any way similar to a standard retriever protocol.