Reintroducing Grizzlies

[jasnt]

They should quit thinking about re-introducing anything. Get rid of the wolves first.

Get rid of the introduced wolf first. The ones that have been here since whenever have coexisted just fine with our herds.


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those wolves are no more. Either bred out or killed for compition. They grey wolf is not the native species and they are much larger and stronger than the native timber wolf.

The few videos I saw on YouTube made it sound like the state has maid up its mind.

[vandeman17]

I went to the meeting last night. What a joke. They didn't even have a speaker or anything like that. It was an open house where they had informational billboards around the room and then you could fill out a comment on a piece of paper. Waste of time and just shows their lack of actually taking public comment and questions into their decisions.

[2labs]

Quote. Chanel 13, experts say only 10 to 13 in the north Cascades, we need to bring in a couple hundred.  Holy *censored*, wouldn't they be here if the habitat would support them!.....

[garrett89]

Quote. Chanel 13, experts say only 10 to 13 in the north Cascades, we need to bring in a couple hundred.  Holy *censored*, wouldn't they be here if the habitat would support them!.....

They'll change their mind when the bears roam outside the drop zone and into human areas. Our state is full of hippies and don't think of the consequences of re-introduction of any animal. Have they seen whales that were in captivity released into the ocean? All of them die. Or the stupid wolves that are here now, killing everything in sight.

[vandeman17]

Quote. Chanel 13, experts say only 10 to 13 in the north Cascades, we need to bring in a couple hundred.  Holy *censored*, wouldn't they be here if the habitat would support them!.....

They have 4 proposed options

[jasnt]

When I was in high school I did a report on grizzly and at that time (98) the state claimed we had 54 grizzlies in WA and also 50% more that where only here at specific times of the year. Now they say a dozen?  Wish I could find that report as that info came from dfw. Where did they all go?  Why has the population not increased?

[garrett89]

When I was in high school I did a report on grizzly and at that time (98) the state claimed we had 54 grizzlies in WA and also 50% more that where only here at specific times of the year. Now they say a dozen?  Wish I could find that report as that info came from dfw. Where did they all go?  Why has the population not increased?

If they were in wolf territory, the wolves will kill them. No remorse, they'll drive them until they can attack. The wolf territory can be over 1,000 miles and there's 19 confirmed packs.

[jasnt]

When I was in high school I did a report on grizzly and at that time (98) the state claimed we had 54 grizzlies in WA and also 50% more that where only here at specific times of the year. Now they say a dozen?  Wish I could find that report as that info came from dfw. Where did they all go?  Why has the population not increased?

If they were in wolf territory, the wolves will kill them. No remorse, they'll drive them until they can attack. The wolf territory can be over 1,000 miles and there's 19 confirmed packs.

then why are yellow stone grizzly staying out all winter chasing wolves off their kills?  I can see then killing younger bears but a mature grizz? Pretty hard to believe that grey wolves dropped the population of griz by about 80%

[garrett89]

When I was in high school I did a report on grizzly and at that time (98) the state claimed we had 54 grizzlies in WA and also 50% more that where only here at specific times of the year. Now they say a dozen?  Wish I could find that report as that info came from dfw. Where did they all go?  Why has the population not increased?

If they were in wolf territory, the wolves will kill them. No remorse, they'll drive them until they can attack. The wolf territory can be over 1,000 miles and there's 19 confirmed packs.

then why are yellow stone grizzly staying out all winter chasing wolves off their kills?  I can see then killing younger bears but a mature grizz? Pretty hard to believe that grey wolves dropped the population of griz by about 80%

What else do you think then? I doubt many hunters mistake a grizzly with a black bear. The food sources haven't changed. What else can you think then? You can't quote yellow stone grizzlies following wolves for their kill because yellowstone is huge and has a way bigger population of game for wolves to hunt than here. The biologist who are supposed to be watching activity with animal population are to blame as well. Instead of watching the native species (grizzly) they've added wolves that are way bigger and non-native to washington state and their patterns just in breeding and not anything else.

[jasnt]

Habitat is the issue. Way to many black bear in this state eating the food sources. To many predators period. Not enough game to go around and herds continue to decline. But the number 1 reason in my opinion is Wdfw has never been able to get an accurate population count of any animal period! If they can't properly manage the game we have now how are they going to do with another apex predator population growing and game still in decline.  By raising prices and selling less tags, less opertunety, less hunter recruitment.

[WAPatriot]

I hope we get the costal brown bears from kodiak maybe a couple of polar bears too.

[garrett89]

Habitat is the issue. Way to many black bear in this state eating the food sources. To many predators period. Not enough game to go around and herds continue to decline. But the number 1 reason in my opinion is Wdfw has never been able to get an accurate population count of any animal period! If they can't properly manage the game we have now how are they going to do with another apex predator population growing and game still in decline.  By raising prices and selling less tags, less opertunety, less hunter recruitment.

Right? I honestly don't mind if grizzlies make there way back in but, not until they rid of the wolves. I have a big problem with the wolf issue if you couldn't tell. Haha.

[garrett89]

I hope we get the costal brown bears from kodiak maybe a couple of polar bears too.

Heck no, I'm tired of non-native species getting invited over onto non-native land. Have you seen the videos about the salmon population going down since some stupid person started putting pikes in the lakes, streams and rivers?

[jasnt]

I hope we get the costal brown bears from kodiak maybe a couple of polar bears too.

Heck no, I'm tired of non-native species getting invited over onto non-native land. Have you seen the videos about the salmon population going down since some stupid person started putting pikes in the lakes, streams and rivers?

he was joking 🙃

[garrett89]

I hope we get the costal brown bears from kodiak maybe a couple of polar bears too.

Heck no, I'm tired of non-native species getting invited over onto non-native land. Have you seen the videos about the salmon population going down since some stupid person started putting pikes in the lakes, streams and rivers?

he was joking 🙃

It may be a joke but, I take things like that really seriously. Good and bad thing I guess.