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Long September chasing cows, hard winter, and finally, little energy to outrun the pack... It's a hard life for a bull elk! Thanks for sharing these great shots, Cbond. You're lucky to witness this. We need these types of scenes in some places in the North American landscape... (But, disclaimer, I am OK if it's not everywhere)
that one wolf burned or have mange?
I personally hate seeing this, I'm I the only one? I'd rather the bull lived and those wolves die a miserable death starving!
Quote from: trophyhunt on February 26, 2017, 06:04:44 PMI personally hate seeing this, I'm I the only one? I'd rather the bull lived and those wolves die a miserable death starving! I'm with you!
Quote from: trophyhunt on February 26, 2017, 06:04:44 PMI personally hate seeing this, I'm I the only one? I'd rather the bull lived and those wolves die a miserable death starving!
I hate to rehash what has been rehashed on here, again, and again, and again, but here is what I am learning: -That we ought to violate the law when we disagree with wildlife policy or its outcome, and furthermore, whenever we are given the opportunity.-That (apparently) wolves are moral agents instead of just another carnivore species, and therefore deserve not just death, but a miserable one. Clearly they do not even deserve the protections against cruelty that we extend to the murderers among our own species. -That there is no place, not even in the Lamar Valley, in a fairly extensive National Park, where a timeless process of predator and prey can persist. No compromise. These are sad lessons. I wish more of us could see the power and awe in what Cbond is sharing with us, even if it is admittedly a harsh reality of the natural world. This is a snapshot of the millennial processes that made elk (and all other species of deer, and many more beyond) the incredibly tough, wary, and athletic game animals that we admire and pursue. For the record, I am for wolf management. Including lethal options. Including pack removal if a particular pack is problematic. Including regulated harvest of them as a challenging game animal. Heck, even the trapping of them as a furbearer (the Shoshone of the Northern Rockies wore a good bit of wolf fur during the winter!). Even fully excluding them from sizable areas of the West to prioritize game animal production and ranching. And I am sorry if all of that is not enough for some. And I apologize if this comes across as a rant- it is not intended to be. But I was raised to speak my beliefs, and I hope even those who disagree with me will take it as respectfully done.
What part of the Lamar Valley?
I hate to rehash what has been rehashed on here, again, and again, and again, but here is what I am learning: -That we ought to violate the law when we disagree with wildlife policy or its outcome, and furthermore, whenever we are given the opportunity.-That (apparently) wolves are moral agents instead of just another carnivore species, and therefore deserve not just death, but a miserable one. Clearly they do not even deserve the protections against cruelty that we extend to the murderers among our own species. -That there is no place, not even in the Lamar Valley, in a fairly extensive National Park, where a timeless process of predator and prey can persist. No compromise.
if you have not drawn a moose permit yet your opportunity of ever hunting moose in WA is fading.
I think some wolves in the park would be great if they didn't decimate the moose almost entirely from existence and decimate the elk population to the point that there are no late seasons for hunters outside the park. A managed population of wolves would even be acceptable in wilderness areas outside the park. But the wolf lovers have forced unmanaged numbers of wolves everywhere, the only limiting factor of wolf numbers is when they run out of animals to kill, so I have to say no to wolves, not because of the wolf, but because of the wolf lovers who are using the wolf to accomplish their goal of stopping hunting.Thankfully wolves are now being hunted in three states and many of those state's impacted game herds are rebounding. Unfortunately, Washington will likely never manage wolves, I can tell you from my lifetime of watching the moose population in NE Washington, if you have not drawn a moose permit yet your opportunity of ever hunting moose in WA is fading. I now see more wolf tracks and scat in Washington than in Idaho and our moose are being turned into wolf scat! Many moose hunters are having a hard time finding a legal moose to shoot when they do draw a tag.
Quote from: elkboy on February 27, 2017, 08:33:28 AMI hate to rehash what has been rehashed on here, again, and again, and again, but here is what I am learning: -That we ought to violate the law when we disagree with wildlife policy or its outcome, and furthermore, whenever we are given the opportunity.-That (apparently) wolves are moral agents instead of just another carnivore species, and therefore deserve not just death, but a miserable one. Clearly they do not even deserve the protections against cruelty that we extend to the murderers among our own species. -That there is no place, not even in the Lamar Valley, in a fairly extensive National Park, where a timeless process of predator and prey can persist. No compromise. These are sad lessons. I wish more of us could see the power and awe in what Cbond is sharing with us, even if it is admittedly a harsh reality of the natural world. This is a snapshot of the millennial processes that made elk (and all other species of deer, and many more beyond) the incredibly tough, wary, and athletic game animals that we admire and pursue. For the record, I am for wolf management. Including lethal options. Including pack removal if a particular pack is problematic. Including regulated harvest of them as a challenging game animal. Heck, even the trapping of them as a furbearer (the Shoshone of the Northern Rockies wore a good bit of wolf fur during the winter!). Even fully excluding them from sizable areas of the West to prioritize game animal production and ranching. And I am sorry if all of that is not enough for some. And I apologize if this comes across as a rant- it is not intended to be. But I was raised to speak my beliefs, and I hope even those who disagree with me will take it as respectfully done.You are obviously unaware of what wolves have done to the elk and especially the moose population in and around Yellowstone. My dad owned the filling station in Gardiner and my grandfather was a lifelong resident of Livingston and I have spent a lot of time in Yellowstone, my sister was born in the park at the hospital. What the wolves have been allowed to do to the population of elk and moose is a crime. I AGREE 100%
And I will do this for bull blaster sss but only if they are out of the park and you have a tag of course.
The wolves need to be thinned out in Yellowstone! Plain and simple as that there are way to many, go ahead call me selfish but I'll put my big game animals above any predator! Wait until it's calving and fawn season and you'll see a lot of fat wolves . Bringing a apex predator and NOT controlling the population of that predator is asking for trouble and they got it
2 years ago between Soda Butte and the outhouses at Hitching Post we watched a wolf chase an antelope and fawn all over the hill side. After she was all tired out she trotted along the hillside about 75 yds away from us. Got some cool pics that day.
Don't get so worked up over it. They're just venting off some steam at what's happening to our moose, elk and deer in Washington from gross mismanagement. We usually just see the aftermath though; our moose, elk and deer are being reduced to scat, no......parasite carrying scat, that will effect the rest of the herd indirectly, and possibly our pets and some people as well. No one on HW wants to anthropomorphize wolves and wish them a slow miserable death as some kind of crime for their evil existence, I don't blame the wolf. I blame the people who forced them upon us and in such large numbers. The wolf just is, and just being isn't a crime.
Quote from: KFhunter on February 27, 2017, 08:55:05 AMDon't get so worked up over it. They're just venting off some steam at what's happening to our moose, elk and deer in Washington from gross mismanagement. We usually just see the aftermath though; our moose, elk and deer are being reduced to scat, no......parasite carrying scat, that will effect the rest of the herd indirectly, and possibly our pets and some people as well. No one on HW wants to anthropomorphize wolves and wish them a slow miserable death as some kind of crime for their evil existence, I don't blame the wolf. I blame the people who forced them upon us and in such large numbers. The wolf just is, and just being isn't a crime. We all hate what the wolf plan is accomplishing. However, I object to many of the posts in this thread. I don't object because I anthropomorphize wolves. I object because those comments make hunters look bad to the general public. The OP posted these pictures as an example of what happens in the Yellowstone ecosystem, good or bad. It's turned into something completely different. I respectfully request that the mods delete any comments which promote illegal activities, as per forum rules.
I don't have a problem w/a few wolves being around, but the the "friends of wolves" are never going to be satisfied with anything less than the wolves becoming a major problem for everybody. That is just how they roll. The issue is that there are no longer millions of bison roaming the Great Plains for wolves to feed on and their numbers need to be strictly controlled or their population will spin out of control and they will wipe out entire game populations.
Quote from: JDHasty on February 28, 2017, 08:34:52 AMI don't have a problem w/a few wolves being around, but the the "friends of wolves" are never going to be satisfied with anything less than the wolves becoming a major problem for everybody. That is just how they roll. The issue is that there are no longer millions of bison roaming the Great Plains for wolves to feed on and their numbers need to be strictly controlled or their population will spin out of control and they will wipe out entire game populations. I don't disagree. I also oppose breaking the rules of the forum by posting those things which cast a bad light on hunting in general. You want to poach? Don't talk about it in the forum. I'm not talking about trying to win over the friends of wolves. I'm talking about not alienating the other 90+% of the population by making them think that all hunters are lawless and maybe don't deserve their support to continue doing what we do.
This is just one more reason why people that live in Montana and Idaho have rifles in gun racks in their vehicles
Quote from: JakeLand on March 01, 2017, 05:33:42 AMThis is just one more reason why people that live in Montana and Idaho have rifles in gun racks in their vehiclesLike I said up thread, my cousin in Montana has been loosing two year old replacement heifers this year to wolves. He had a neighbor who shot a grizzly bear that was under his front porch of his home and that cost him about $50K in attorney fees.
