Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[Oh Mah]

So let me understand this better, it's ok for archery and rifle equipment to have a steady increase in technology but one weapon group can't?

Just because it is happening in other groups doesn't mean everyone thinks it's ok.

Nore does it mean everyone has a problem with it.

[JimmyHoffa]

So let me understand this better, it's ok for archery and rifle equipment to have a steady increase in technology but one weapon group can't?

Just because it is happening in other groups doesn't mean everyone thinks it's ok.

Nore does it mean everyone has a problem with it.

Truth there.

I wish I couldn't give a rat about the tech creep and feel fine about letting anybody feel free to use whatever they want in their seasons, but reality is the number of bulls 3 pt+ is finite.  Packing more people with more advantageous technology into early seasons seems like it hurts the user groups further and further in the line.  Muzzy already has to deal with the aftermath of the archery season.  Modern gets the sloppy thirds, especially with the newly opened early units.  With more tech, you'll eventually get muzzy being the famed pumpkin patch.

[Oh Mah]

I agree to a point but i think we all know the user group problem and the famed pumpkin patch as you worded goes to tribal and therefore crushes this entire argument.As stated by others on here before in other threads,if they are gonna take them any way any time then putting glass on a muzzy wont change the dynamics.

[Oh Mah]

The argument can always go to the "it would be a more of a humane kill if the shot placement would be more accurate with glass"

[jstone]

If you need glass to get a better shot then get closer? How is that an argument? Don't take the long shot..

[trophyhunt]

If you need glass to get a better shot then get closer? How is that an argument? Don't take the long shot..

bad shots are taken at any range, trust me I know. 😬

[trophyhunt]

The argument can always go to the "it would be a more of a humane kill if the shot placement would be more accurate with glass"

I truly believe less animals would be lost.

[BULLBLASTER]

Could the same case not be made for doing away with archery and muzzy hunting altogether? That less animals would be wounded and lost?

[grundy53]

I vote no.

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[grundy53]

Could the same case not be made for doing away with archery and muzzy hunting altogether? That less animals would be wounded and lost?

Exactly

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[Skillet]

Could the same case not be made for doing away with archery and muzzy hunting altogether? That less animals would be wounded and lost?

Exactly

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Or hunting with a non-scoped model 94. 

Or hunting at all.

[floatinghat]

If we bring the lighted nock to the discussion I would be ok with allowing tracer bullets during muzzy season. 

I started typing that then stopped.

That would be amazing though.......I'm picturing a slo-mo video of a giant cloud of smoke with a .50 cal tracer flying out of it.

I was thinking the samething, but the camera would have to be off to the side

Overall, there needs to be some common ground that allows youth hunters and less skilled marksmen to have higher rates of success,

Why, it's hunting not shooting an animal?  Isn't it about the experience, otherwise save money and time by going to Safeway.  Bump the success rates and you have to even the playing field with other methods.

[ghosthunter]

I hunt muzzy elk, Modern everything else.

I think older hunters with vision problems should be allowed . To retain these hunters.

Having said that. I think all methods should go back to start.

Stick bows, Flint locks,

No sights on bows, knocks, expanding broads the works all gone.

Someone else brought up youth.
I would give up hunting days for real extended Youth Hunts.

I would like to see a week long youth hunt for turkey, not just a weekend. Or at least two weekends for youth. 


Now that I think about it , going back to primitive would be the best move to gain better numbers because success rates would go down. Everyone gets to hunt, pending mule deer draws would not  be needed. Season might even be able to be longer.

Lets do it.

[jstone]

OK OK!!!!! now someone is getting into the bag of wacky tabacky. Your talking crazy... put it down....

[rasbo]

nope,im old school,same with archery,all it seems to me is people are trying to make things easier..bows are almost like guns in range,muzzies the same ..KISS ,,,,learn to stalk better in my humble biased one sided opinion..I see folks buying up all this newfangled gear,watching movies where they get their animal in a half hr show,then they expect the same..Its all about the hunt and skill..If your shooting 100yrds with a bow,thats muzzy range,if your shooting 200 with a muzzy that's rifle range..If you cant muster up the skills,stay home..I got rid of electronic calls because it took the art out of calling,got rid of the wheel bows for the same reason..Thats just me folks..I see guys packing enough gear on themselves to last a week except they are 200 yrds from the road and a rig....flame on if you want,but im seeing more snowflakes in the woods than ever before