POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?

[KFhunter]

It's still irrelevant in your opinion, you mean. While I disagree with every fiber your argument, your welcome to it. I remain steady in my opinion that our Government is too fast and lose with stripping citizens of their Constitutional rights for flimsy reasons that are dubious in cases. Once you introduce the concept of stripping people of their Constitutional rights, it's a slippery slope into the netherworld.

You do realize that "stripping people of their constitutional rights" was written in the Constitution itself, right in the Bill of Rights.  We've been on this slippery slope to the netherworld since 1791     

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Loss of Liberty due to a felony was a founding principle in our constitution.

[bigtex]

It's still irrelevant in your opinion, you mean. While I disagree with every fiber your argument, your welcome to it. I remain steady in my opinion that our Government is too fast and lose with stripping citizens of their Constitutional rights for flimsy reasons that are dubious in cases. Once you introduce the concept of stripping people of their Constitutional rights, it's a slippery slope into the netherworld.

You do realize that "stripping people of their constitutional rights" was written in the Constitution itself, right in the Bill of Rights.  We've been on this slippery slope to the netherworld since 1791 I guess 

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Loss of Liberty due to a felony was a founding principle in our constitution.

Oh quit it with your facts!

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[fish vacuum]

huh,yes that's right.if if if they meet the requirements of that state.

This part is true?

Because they must be rehabilitated to get out of prison.

Please share what you know about the rehabilitation requirements for being released.

[bigtex]

Most felony crimes are drugs.

Not true.

In WA there are about 40 different drug related laws, about 25 of them are felonies. There are 15 hunting and fishing crimes in WA that are felonies. When you start looking at all the other crimes, such as rape, murder, assault, guns, etc. You see that drugs are nowhere near the majority of felony crimes.

[Bofire]

  Does he mean? of felony convictions are most of them for drugs? I think that's what he means. I have read of astronomical numbers of people in jail/prison for drugs.
Carl

[bigtex]

Does he mean? of felony convictions are most of them for drugs? I think that's what he means. I have read of astronomical numbers of people in jail/prison for drugs.
Carl

If so then I can see that. There really aren't that many felony drug crimes on the books. Its just that drugs laws are the most commonly violated felony, thus are a big portion of the prison population.

[KFhunter]

Drugs, property crimes and DUI's take the lions share of felonies, the bulk of those never see the inside of a prison.

If you look at the people actually incarcerated the biggest share of inmates is for violent crimes by far.

If a person commits a non violent property crime (tweaker robbing garages) and doesn't go to jail for more than a day or two, doesn't make full reparations, have they paid their due to society?   Why should they have all their rights reestablished?

I don't even want to think about some political push to reestablish rights until people are actually punished for their crimes and they make full restitution to the victims.  That isn't happening.

[EmeraldBullet]

The supreme court has reinterpreted the constitution to mean the opposite of what it actually says though.

[Bofire]

  hmmmmmmm, here is some good information, violent crime is sort of high, but not a huge amount. Drug crimes are big. or were in 2014

                                                                                      2013, 54% violent, men 50 % drugs, women 56% drugs. 
    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p14.pdf
Carl

[bigtex]

The supreme court has reinterpreted the constitution to mean the opposite of what it actually says though.

In your opinion.

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[fish vacuum]

Stats for people in the WA DOC system...

[Mudman]

http://www.schatzanderson.com/information-and-resources/20-common-felony-crimes-u-s/        It seems your stat may be incomplete or not telling the whole picture.

[Oh Mah]

Wheres the members that swear to no new laws?Why would anyone on here want to add another anti gun law to the books?The laws are already there,if you get a felony you loose your rights,when you get out if your good for this long you can petition to get them back if you get another your done you can only get your gun rights back with 1 felony unless you have multiple felonies from same crime.

If you don't think people can be rehabilitated then you should be against any form of imprisonment.You should be advocating for life in prison for 1 felony or death.

If they cant be rehabilitated then you feel they should never ever get out of prison.


               there is no other way to put your feelings in words.



                                      TO ALL THAT VOTE NO....................   FLAME ON

[KFhunter]

Careful with the stats as they're accounting for those in confinement, most drug felons and other non-violent felons never see extended confinement thus don't make it into the stats being shared. 

[Bofire]

  I am glad to see the site I showed list both in confinement and in community/local.
Carl