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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #135 on: April 05, 2017, 09:06:02 AM »
I was at the state Society of American Foresters and The Wildlife Society convention last weekend, and there was a 30 minute discussion about the reintroduction of grizz. At the end of the program, I asked the presenter "How was the desired number of grizzlies (200)" determined?" He gave an answer basically saying that studies have shown carrying capacity to be between 250-350, so they aimed for 200 as a sort of "palatable number". I started thinking about that more after the presentation, and my tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory is that they are aiming for this number to guarantee the grizz never reach population numbers to begin the process of being delisted and revert back to state management.

The more I think about the answer he gave and the reasoning behind it, the more sense it makes.  :tinfoil:
It seems unlikely that the WDFW and the State of WA will ever allow management of either grizzlies or wolves, regardless of population levels.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #136 on: April 05, 2017, 09:24:58 AM »
The issue is the NCNP is an area that is not conducive  to sustain a grizzly population of that magnitude. Thus they will have to venture out and before the state and NCNP(not that they will be hunted in the park) will EVER allow a hunting season for grizzlies to occur the population will be way out of control outside the park. This is what the conservationist groups are banking on so they can justify removal of hunting seasons. Also the deer, elk and other animals that support the bears and wolves survival will be below the population to do so. It's not like man hunted out the grizzly population there its because that area does not support their growth.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #137 on: April 05, 2017, 12:17:44 PM »
The issue is the NCNP is an area that is not conducive  to sustain a grizzly population of that magnitude. Thus they will have to venture out and before the state and NCNP(not that they will be hunted in the park) will EVER allow a hunting season for grizzlies to occur the population will be way out of control outside the park. This is what the conservationist groups are banking on so they can justify removal of hunting seasons. Also the deer, elk and other animals that support the bears and wolves survival will be below the population to do so. It's not like man hunted out the grizzly population there its because that area does not support their growth.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #138 on: April 05, 2017, 02:40:06 PM »

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #139 on: May 16, 2017, 09:32:58 PM »
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd542099.pdf

It never ends  :bash:

I never seen a lynx in the wedge, how can it be a "core area" ??  I seen a few in Canada up higher but never in the wedge, not even tracks.


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One of the key aspects of grizzly bear recovery is human access management.

« Last Edit: May 16, 2017, 09:38:50 PM by KFhunter »

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #140 on: May 17, 2017, 02:44:54 AM »
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd542099.pdf

It never ends  :bash:

I never seen a lynx in the wedge, how can it be a "core area" ??  I seen a few in Canada up higher but never in the wedge, not even tracks.


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One of the key aspects of grizzly bear recovery is human access management.


😡 They will just keep taking and taking!
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #141 on: May 17, 2017, 01:44:53 PM »
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd542099.pdf

It never ends  :bash:

Don't buy the BS. No grizzly "reintroduction" is occurring on the Colville National Forest.

A small grizzly bear population persists in the Selkirks portion, with several grizzlies also documented sporadically to the west in the Wedge ("There are currently believed to be at least 70-80 grizzly bears in the Selkirk Recovery Zone with numbers approximately equally divided between the Canadian and U.S. portions of the ecosystems." - http://igbconline.org/selkirkcabinet-yaak/).

The USFS and other agencies are required by law to manage habitat on the Forest for native wildlife that persist there, including threatened and endangered species such as lynx and grizzlies, for whom recovery plans of varying sorts must be in place. Acknowledging that while updating the CNF Forest Plan is standard operating procedure.

I can certainly understand folks having concerns around restoring a functioning grizzly bear population in the North Cascades. But that's not at all what's occurring on the Colville. Managing wild public lands with the needs of all the native species occupying the land in mind, while responsibly balancing such habitat conservation with the multi-use mandate of areas like National Forests, that's entirely consistent with the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation and our nation's wildlife laws.

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #142 on: May 17, 2017, 02:32:20 PM »
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd542099.pdf

It never ends  :bash:

Don't buy the BS. No grizzly "reintroduction" is occurring on the Colville National Forest.

A small grizzly bear population persists in the Selkirks portion, with several grizzlies also documented sporadically to the west in the Wedge ("There are currently believed to be at least 70-80 grizzly bears in the Selkirk Recovery Zone with numbers approximately equally divided between the Canadian and U.S. portions of the ecosystems." - http://igbconline.org/selkirkcabinet-yaak/).

The USFS and other agencies are required by law to manage habitat on the Forest for native wildlife that persist there, including threatened and endangered species such as lynx and grizzlies, for whom recovery plans of varying sorts must be in place. Acknowledging that while updating the CNF Forest Plan is standard operating procedure.

I can certainly understand folks having concerns around restoring a functioning grizzly bear population in the North Cascades. But that's not at all what's occurring on the Colville. Managing wild public lands with the needs of all the native species occupying the land in mind, while responsibly balancing such habitat conservation with the multi-use mandate of areas like National Forests, that's entirely consistent with the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation and our nation's wildlife laws.

Says the man who doesn't live here... 

The reason they don't allow any spring bear season in 113 is solely because of the Grizzlies.  That is straight from WDFW.  Even though the neighboring unit in Idaho has an OTC, 2 month long spring bear season and it sure hasn't hurt the Grizzly population at all.  Endangered "Native" species are simply a strong arm tactic to shut down access and opportunity.  :bash: 

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #143 on: May 17, 2017, 02:36:43 PM »
people management.

Why shut down/gate roads (which makes everyone angry) when you can just let them washout and not repair them?

« Last Edit: May 17, 2017, 02:52:46 PM by KFhunter »

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #144 on: May 17, 2017, 06:15:23 PM »
people management.

Why shut down/gate roads (which makes everyone angry) when you can just let them washout and not repair them?


Grizzly bear habitat could be more permanent, with a larger percentage of land off limits to people etc..

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #145 on: May 20, 2017, 07:15:52 AM »
 The grizz in 117 113 are going to be disappointed to find out they are not supposed to be there. Move along nothing to see here.

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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #146 on: May 20, 2017, 07:27:49 AM »
There is more then one way to skin a cat, accidently mistaken game happens all of the time some where or another.
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Re: Reintroducing Grizzlies
« Reply #147 on: May 20, 2017, 01:10:53 PM »
I wonder if the USFWS and the shovel manufactures are in business together?

 


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