I love wolves. Seriously.

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Wolves.  These types of threads keep putting up by people who don't actually live in Wolf infested country, and don't know what they are taking about.  It just gets tiresome.   

Responses like this get tiresome as well.  Where exactly is this wolf infested country you speak of?  You ever even seen a track?

Track?    I've seen wolves.  Multiple times.  Had a wolf come right into our yard and try to get our dog.  Have heard them howling more times than I can remember. Been followed off the mountain when packing meat with wolves howling all around me for hours. Have been on successful Wolf hunts.  Have friends who trap them.  Have had my best lion hound tore to shreds by wolves.  Have found where they killed a whole string of deer, and never ate a bite, because they could run on top while the deer broke through.  I'm a third generation Idahoan that has lived & hunted in this area for over 30 years.  And yeah I've definitely seen tracks too.   

 

you should see the deer and elk moose killed in the winter by wolves and left to rot in the Clearwater unit and up in unit 1 up by Bonner Ferry. Both used to be some of the best elk units in the country

Still good units.  Killed bulls in each.  They don't stand in the clearings like they used to, but still bulls to be had.  Lack of habitat management, crappy ifg management decisions, bad Winters and the wolves were a atomic bomb down in the Cw on that herd, but ifg is fixing that. 

[theleo]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

[jackelope]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

He's from almost the same place as you.

[gaddy]

only the last 2 years. Said he comes from Alabama. Wolves in Alabama ?

[bearpaw]

Several members have already stated my thoughts on wolves, thanks to Gringo, KFhunter, Pianoman, Kenetrec, and others! You saved me time typing!

For me, the lack of management is a bigger concern than the actual wolves. Idaho is managing wolves and elk herds and even some moose herds that were significantly impacted are coming back, I even purchased a new hunting business in an area that had been impacted by wolves that is now coming back. I don't have an issue with a managed population of wolves.

The Washington wolf plan is a total joke! And to top that off, I don't see management ever happening in WA due to too many predator lovers in this state who will simply run an initiative if WDFW ever does try to manage wolves!

[bearpaw]

We have run into numerous IDFG people out monitoring wolves. We help them in any way we can with wolf sightings, tracks, etc. It's imperative that IDFG keep good track of the wolf population so that we don't drop below the minimum requirement and lose management ability. 

[jackelope]

only the last 2 years. Said he comes from Alabama. Wolves in Alabama ?

One's from Naches, the other from Kennewick.

[theleo]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

He's from almost the same place as you.

Grew up in eastern Oregon, graduated from Cove high school 2005. Hunted north of Wallowa most of the time above the breaks of the Grand Ronde (from our camp I could hike down to where the Wallowa meets the Grande Ronde). Still kick around in the Wallowa and Eagle Cap mountains whenever possible. I hunt mainly SE Idaho (Pioneer zone) where my mothers side of the family is from (Carey Idaho) and have a family friend that's an outfitter there (Little Wood River Outfitters) that has been in business since the early-mid 80's. I'm not new to interacting with deer, elk, bears, antelope, moose, and packing mules.

From a guy who normally puts out some pretty good posts, saying I'm from nearly the same place as an Alabama whitetail hunter is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post jackelope, let alone any other moderator on here. 

[jackelope]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

He's from almost the same place as you.

Grew up in eastern Oregon, graduated from Cove high school 2005. Hunted north of Wallowa most of the time above the breaks of the Grand Ronde (from our camp I could hike down to where the Wallowa meets the Grande Ronde). Still kick around in the Wallowa and Eagle Cap mountains whenever possible. I hunt mainly SE Idaho (Pioneer zone) where my mothers side of the family is from (Carey Idaho) and have a family friend that's an outfitter there (Little Wood River Outfitters) that has been in business since the early-mid 80's. I'm not new to interacting with deer, elk, bears, antelope, moose, and packing mules.

From a guy who normally puts out some pretty good posts, saying I'm from nearly the same place as an Alabama whitetail hunter is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post jackelope, let alone any other moderator on here. 

Sorry to let you down. I should have read the whole post. I was just looking at profile locations.

[cbond3318]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

He's from almost the same place as you.

Grew up in eastern Oregon, graduated from Cove high school 2005. Hunted north of Wallowa most of the time above the breaks of the Grand Ronde (from our camp I could hike down to where the Wallowa meets the Grande Ronde). Still kick around in the Wallowa and Eagle Cap mountains whenever possible. I hunt mainly SE Idaho (Pioneer zone) where my mothers side of the family is from (Carey Idaho) and have a family friend that's an outfitter there (Little Wood River Outfitters) that has been in business since the early-mid 80's. I'm not new to interacting with deer, elk, bears, antelope, moose, and packing mules.

From a guy who normally puts out some pretty good posts, saying I'm from nearly the same place as an Alabama whitetail hunter is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post jackelope, let alone any other moderator on here.

 

Looks like he told you Jack....

[buglebrush]

Wolves.  These types of threads keep putting up by people who don't actually live in Wolf infested country, and don't know what they are taking about.  It just gets tiresome.   

Responses like this get tiresome as well.  Where exactly is this wolf infested country you speak of?  You ever even seen a track?

Track?    I've seen wolves.  Multiple times.  Had a wolf come right into our yard and try to get our dog.  Have heard them howling more times than I can remember. Been followed off the mountain when packing meat with wolves howling all around me for hours. Have been on successful Wolf hunts.  Have friends who trap them.  Have had my best lion hound tore to shreds by wolves.  Have found where they killed a whole string of deer, and never ate a bite, because they could run on top while the deer broke through.  I'm a third generation Idahoan that has lived & hunted in this area for over 30 years.  And yeah I've definitely seen tracks too.   

Wonderful, most guys I hear talk like you haven't even seen one.  Where exactly in Idaho do you live?

Panhandle. 

[jackelope]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

He's from almost the same place as you.

Grew up in eastern Oregon, graduated from Cove high school 2005. Hunted north of Wallowa most of the time above the breaks of the Grand Ronde (from our camp I could hike down to where the Wallowa meets the Grande Ronde). Still kick around in the Wallowa and Eagle Cap mountains whenever possible. I hunt mainly SE Idaho (Pioneer zone) where my mothers side of the family is from (Carey Idaho) and have a family friend that's an outfitter there (Little Wood River Outfitters) that has been in business since the early-mid 80's. I'm not new to interacting with deer, elk, bears, antelope, moose, and packing mules.

From a guy who normally puts out some pretty good posts, saying I'm from nearly the same place as an Alabama whitetail hunter is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post jackelope, let alone any other moderator on here.

 

Looks like he told you Jack....

Sho nuff.

[jackelope]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

He's from almost the same place as you.

Grew up in eastern Oregon, graduated from Cove high school 2005. Hunted north of Wallowa most of the time above the breaks of the Grand Ronde (from our camp I could hike down to where the Wallowa meets the Grande Ronde). Still kick around in the Wallowa and Eagle Cap mountains whenever possible. I hunt mainly SE Idaho (Pioneer zone) where my mothers side of the family is from (Carey Idaho) and have a family friend that's an outfitter there (Little Wood River Outfitters) that has been in business since the early-mid 80's. I'm not new to interacting with deer, elk, bears, antelope, moose, and packing mules.

From a guy who normally puts out some pretty good posts, saying I'm from nearly the same place as an Alabama whitetail hunter is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post jackelope, let alone any other moderator on here. 

I maintain, however, that it will forever drive me bonkers that it seems that someone's knowledge is purely, or at least mostly based on where they're from. I think I have a fairly good working knowledge of the outdoors, animals, wildlife, etc. I can hang with the everyday Joe in outdoor related conversations. I know enough about wolves, mule deer, elk, whitetail, fishing, to carry on a solid conversation with  pretty much anyone. I'm from New York. New frikkin York. I see folks flipping westsiders crap all the time for not knowing what they're talking about. I've taken a bunch of crap on here for being a westsider, and I'm not even a westsider. I grew up in the Catskills out in the country in upstate NY. I caught trout on my own property. I killed deer there.  I still own land there. They have no clue where I'm from, how I grew up and what I know. So maybe it's not best to judge someone based on where they're from....which was the intent of my inaccurate comment.
 

[bearpaw]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

He's from almost the same place as you.

Grew up in eastern Oregon, graduated from Cove high school 2005. Hunted north of Wallowa most of the time above the breaks of the Grand Ronde (from our camp I could hike down to where the Wallowa meets the Grande Ronde). Still kick around in the Wallowa and Eagle Cap mountains whenever possible. I hunt mainly SE Idaho (Pioneer zone) where my mothers side of the family is from (Carey Idaho) and have a family friend that's an outfitter there (Little Wood River Outfitters) that has been in business since the early-mid 80's. I'm not new to interacting with deer, elk, bears, antelope, moose, and packing mules.

From a guy who normally puts out some pretty good posts, saying I'm from nearly the same place as an Alabama whitetail hunter is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post jackelope, let alone any other moderator on here. 

I maintain, however, that it will forever drive me bonkers that it seems that someone's knowledge is purely, or at least mostly based on where they're from. I think I have a fairly good working knowledge of the outdoors, animals, wildlife, etc. I can hang with the everyday Joe in outdoor related conversations. I know enough about wolves, mule deer, elk, whitetail, fishing, to carry on a solid conversation with  pretty much anyone. I'm from New York. New frikkin York. I see folks flipping westsiders crap all the time for not knowing what they're talking about. I've taken a bunch of crap on here for being a westsider, and I'm not even a westsider. I grew up in the Catskills out in the country in upstate NY. I caught trout on my own property. I killed deer there.  I still own land there. They have no clue where I'm from, how I grew up and what I know. So maybe it's not best to judge someone based on where they're from....which was the intent of my inaccurate comment.

tell us how you really feel  (joke)

[theleo]

Wolves are beautiful and fascinating and majestic creatures.  Should there be as many as there are in Washington?  More?  Less?  I don't have the slightest clue what the answer to that question is, but I don't hate the creatures themselves, and I have a hard time understanding why so many people seem to. 

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you're missing that they are an introduced species, that they have some seriously negative impacts on rural communities, and most importantly that they are managed by folks like you that have lived in areas unaffected by them. You've seem them on TV or maybe briefly through binoculars and think they are a great and wondrous animal, but that's it. You've seen discussions here and elsewhere yet still ask what's the big deal. I'm not being mean or derogatory just pointing out the situation as bluntly as possible. You don't know what you don't know until there's an opportunity for someone to figuratively smack you on the back of the head and put your nose in the mud. It's not the animals fault, the fault lies with those who put management policies into actions that think bringing wolves back on to the scene some how makes up for our ancestors getting rid of them in the first place, while never having to suffer any ill impacts of the introduction of Grey wolves. 

He's from almost the same place as you.

Grew up in eastern Oregon, graduated from Cove high school 2005. Hunted north of Wallowa most of the time above the breaks of the Grand Ronde (from our camp I could hike down to where the Wallowa meets the Grande Ronde). Still kick around in the Wallowa and Eagle Cap mountains whenever possible. I hunt mainly SE Idaho (Pioneer zone) where my mothers side of the family is from (Carey Idaho) and have a family friend that's an outfitter there (Little Wood River Outfitters) that has been in business since the early-mid 80's. I'm not new to interacting with deer, elk, bears, antelope, moose, and packing mules.

From a guy who normally puts out some pretty good posts, saying I'm from nearly the same place as an Alabama whitetail hunter is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post jackelope, let alone any other moderator on here. 

I maintain, however, that it will forever drive me bonkers that it seems that someone's knowledge is purely, or at least mostly based on where they're from. I think I have a fairly good working knowledge of the outdoors, animals, wildlife, etc. I can hang with the everyday Joe in outdoor related conversations. I know enough about wolves, mule deer, elk, whitetail, fishing, to carry on a solid conversation with  pretty much anyone. I'm from New York. New frikkin York. I see folks flipping westsiders crap all the time for not knowing what they're talking about. I've taken a bunch of crap on here for being a westsider, and I'm not even a westsider. I grew up in the Catskills out in the country in upstate NY. I caught trout on my own property. I killed deer there.  I still own land there. They have no clue where I'm from, how I grew up and what I know. So maybe it's not best to judge someone based on where they're from....which was the intent of my inaccurate comment.

Fair enough but I judged the OP on the fact that he was admittedly new to the interactions with western species and the somewhat romanticized view he has of wolves.

I'll make note not to pick on you for being from the wetside or the state Hillary calls home. Instead I'll defer to your wisdom as someone who rode in a Studebaker to make it to the west coast, back when Studebaker first opened their doors.