I love wolves. Seriously.

[ribka]

A very common myth perpetrated by the pro wolf urban crowd is that wolves only kill sick and weak animals and therefore help strengthen elk deer and mooses populations. Wolves are one of the few predators that do thrill kills and leave untouched carcasses sometimes in the dozens. What other apex predator kills dozens of animals and just leaves them? I don't know of any. I have seen first hand slaughter of deer and untouched bodies in the Clearwater unit in Idaho

Go to get facts out there

As for wolves I've already stated that I have no hate, love or any other human emotions ascribed to them.  I'm against Anthropomorphism, humanizing animals, because then management is based on emotion rather than science.  Which is exactly what we have in WA.

   Which is why I shake my head every time someone posts wolf kill pics.  Doing nothing other than trying to stir an emotional response, exactly the same thing as wolf puppy pictures.  By nature, wolves kill other animals, just like a lot of other animals.  Sometimes they eat them, sometimes they don't.  Happens everywhere else in nature too.  I think our arguments for scientific management are stronger if we actually stick to the science ourselves.

[bearpaw]

I can tell you this, unmanaged wolves will spell the end to hunting as we know it in NE Washington and other areas where wolves over populate. I've taken numerous photos of wolf tracks this spring, in most cases there are no other tracks in the same mud puddles in areas where there are wolves, the animals that used to make tracks in those mud puddles are now in small piles of wolf scat.

[KFhunter]

As for wolves I've already stated that I have no hate, love or any other human emotions ascribed to them.  I'm against Anthropomorphism, humanizing animals, because then management is based on emotion rather than science.  Which is exactly what we have in WA.

   Which is why I shake my head every time someone posts wolf kill pics.  Doing nothing other than trying to stir an emotional response, exactly the same thing as wolf puppy pictures.  By nature, wolves kill other animals, just like a lot of other animals.  Sometimes they eat them, sometimes they don't.  Happens everywhere else in nature too.  I think our arguments for scientific management are stronger if we actually stick to the science ourselves.

Same could be said of your avatar, not sure I follow this logic    I have no issue with a success pic of any lawfully hunted animal.

[KFhunter]

I can tell you this, unmanaged wolves will spell the end to hunting as we know it in NE Washington and other areas where wolves over populate. I've taken numerous photos of wolf tracks this spring, in most cases there are no other tracks in the same mud puddles in areas where there are wolves, the animals that used to make tracks in those mud puddles are now in small piles of wolf scat.

Those scat piles will make you a better hunting guide Dale...

[jackelope]

Are you in favor of more wilderness? 

Wilderness creation was just one aspect, another one I alluded to is things using ESA to drive out certain land users

I'm in favor of less roads. Call it what you want.
 

[WAcoueshunter]

A very common myth perpetrated by the pro wolf urban crowd is that wolves only kill sick and weak animals and therefore help strengthen elk deer and mooses populations. Wolves are one of the few predators that do thrill kills and leave untouched carcasses sometimes in the dozens. What other apex predator kills dozens of animals and just leaves them? I don't know of any. I have seen first hand slaughter of deer and untouched bodies in the Clearwater unit in Idaho

Go to get facts out there

"Thrill kills"?  Isn't that the definition of anthropomorphism?    How do we know if they get any thrill out of it? 

I don't know why they do it.  All I know are the facts.  I.e., that killing happens, all over nature, and something the predator eats the whole thing right there and sometimes they don't.   

[WAcoueshunter]

As for wolves I've already stated that I have no hate, love or any other human emotions ascribed to them.  I'm against Anthropomorphism, humanizing animals, because then management is based on emotion rather than science.  Which is exactly what we have in WA.

   Which is why I shake my head every time someone posts wolf kill pics.  Doing nothing other than trying to stir an emotional response, exactly the same thing as wolf puppy pictures.  By nature, wolves kill other animals, just like a lot of other animals.  Sometimes they eat them, sometimes they don't.  Happens everywhere else in nature too.  I think our arguments for scientific management are stronger if we actually stick to the science ourselves.

Same could be said of your avatar, not sure I follow this logic    I have no issue with a success pic of any lawfully hunted animal.

Sorry, I was unclear.  I like to see dead wolf pics just like every other success photo!

Meant I don't get it when we post pics of wolves killing other animals, and use those photos to elicit an emotional response to support wolves are bad. 

[KFhunter]

Are you in favor of more wilderness? 

Wilderness creation was just one aspect, another one I alluded to is things using ESA to drive out certain land users

I'm in favor of less roads. Call it what you want.

Come hunt the east side then, our roads are disappearing at an alarming rate.  The latest tactic is diabolically simple, just don't repair them. 
So many washed out roads that will remain closed and impassable.

The result is vast tracts of land that see little to no use = defacto wilderness.   

I hike back in miles and see zero human activity, but go on an open road and it's choked with humans.  I hate to see people corralled into less and less land, which has a greater visible impact, which makes it easier to close more areas due to that artificially created impact.  It's a vicious circle.  Open it all up and people will disperse and have less localized impact.

People management.

[jackelope]

Are you in favor of more wilderness? 

Wilderness creation was just one aspect, another one I alluded to is things using ESA to drive out certain land users

I'm in favor of less roads. Call it what you want.

Come hunt the east side then, our roads are disappearing at an alarming rate.  The latest tactic is diabolically simple, just don't repair them. 
So many washed out roads that will remain closed and impassable.

The result is vast tracts of land that see little to no use = defacto wilderness.   

I hike back in miles and see zero human activity, but go on an open road and it's choked with humans.  I hate to see people corralled into less and less land, which has a greater visible impact, which makes it easier to close more areas due to that artificially created impact.  It's a vicious circle.  Open it all up and people will disperse and have less localized impact.

People management.

I pretty much only hunt the eastside. Usually lately in wilderness areas where the majority of hunters don't go. Occasionally I hunt private farmland in e-wa around my family's place, but usually only if my daughter says she wants to go.

[KFhunter]

So because you hunt roadless areas and wilderness, you think all hunters should adhere to your standards of hunting? 

You'd advocate for less roads and therefore less opportunity for those who cannot hike miles back in a roadless area and/or lack access to family owned property?

[bearpaw]

So because you hunt roadless areas and wilderness, you think all hunters should adhere to your standards of hunting? 

You'd advocate for less roads and therefore less opportunity for those who cannot hike miles back in a roadless area and/or lack access to family owned property?

That's exactly what i see with the wilderness advocating crowd! 

What about the hunters who don't want to or can't hunt miles from a road? Who cares, they don't matter!

[buglebrush]

I can tell you this, unmanaged wolves will spell the end to hunting as we know it in NE Washington and other areas where wolves over populate. I've taken numerous photos of wolf tracks this spring, in most cases there are no other tracks in the same mud puddles in areas where there are wolves, the animals that used to make tracks in those mud puddles are now in small piles of wolf scat.

Exactly.  Which is why those of us who live here, and have seen the changes over the last twenty years are universally against wolves.  I am sick of trying to explain it over and over again.  The non native Wolf species introduced have put us in a predator pit, and add Washington had shown no inclination to aggressively manage any predators, we are most likely heading for the end to OTC hunting.  I am concerned about my son heading the kind of opportunities I did.  To those who claim our concerns are based on selfish desires/ inabilities to successfully harvest game...  I have no words to express how wrong you are, and furthermore I guarantee I kill more elk than you 

[Curly]

And don't forget that Grizzly introduction is likely going to be forced upon us in this state too.     

[Special T]

And don't forget that Grizzly introduction is likely going to be forced upon us in this state too.     

I went to the meeting in Mount Vernon. The USFW didn't want to hold a meeting in the county most likely to be affected. They also would not address the illegality of importing them into the state.

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[idahohuntr]

And don't forget that Grizzly introduction is likely going to be forced upon us in this state too.     

I went to the meeting in Mount Vernon. The USFW didn't want to hold a meeting in the county most likely to be affected. They also would not address the illegality of importing them into the state.

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What is illegal about the feds introducing grizzlies into Wa? Not that I support such actions.