Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras

[lord grizzly]

I don't necessarily disagree with any of that on face value. This particular discussion is about trail cams and new technology. Like it or not there's been guys around that can make 1000 yard shots for a real long time. That's nothing new it's just becoming more prevalent. And great glass or not a 600 yard shot in 10 mph wind still takes skilll and practice.
Unfortunately most guys don't realize that and think they can buy it.

[Machias]

The hound guys are coming out hard against the proposal, since the 2 way electronic communications would have a heavy impact on them, possibly even impacting tracking collars, including GPS tracking collars.

[lord grizzly]

The hound guys are coming out hard against the proposal, since the 2 way electronic communications would have a heavy impact on them, possibly even impacting tracking collars, including GPS tracking collars.

It stated specifically that it would not pertain to tracking collars

[Machias]

They don't just use tracking collars.  2 way radios, walkie talkies and cell phones to stay in touch with each other.  I know the houndsmen in Idaho are advertising pretty hard against it.

[lord grizzly]

GPS collars aren't enough? Really?

[Machias]

GPS collars aren't enough? Really?

Enough as opposed to what?  Not sure what your question is.

[lord grizzly]

There opposition on limiting  two way communication in hunting . They can still track there dogs, why oppose the change?

[luvmystang67]

Tell me where I break the law on two way communication on hunting... also, tell me how they're going to catch me.

0.5) I'm carrying a phone/GPS in the field.
1) I text my mom and tell her where I am and that I'm okay.
2) I text my buddy and tell him that I'm going to come back to camp at 10am for a snack
3) I text my buddy and tell him we should meet up at the nearby landing to talk about strategy
3.5) Same thing as 3, but on the way to the landing he harvests an animal.
4) I text my buddy and tell him that I saw an animal below him 100 yards.  He walks down there, doesn't find the animal.  Later that day he is walking back to camp and sees the animal I mentioned and harvests it half a mile from where I said I saw it.
5) I text my buddy and tell him there's an elk right below him and he goes to harvest it, we both delete the text message.
6) I tell him where the elk is, he goes and harvests it, and we celebrate.

Assuming #6 is over the line and 0.5 is under the line, where is the freakin line?  Also, how do you EVER catch anyone for this.  Unenforceable laws are the dumbest thing ever and shouldn't exist.

[lord grizzly]

Currently none of that is breaking the law. With some assumptions I imagine 4-6 would be a violation. There's no such thing as a deleted text, that being said there would have to be real cause to spend the time a resource to recover it.

There is of course that old saying "integrity is what you do when no ones looking"

[luvmystang67]

Currently none of that is breaking the law. With some assumptions I imagine 4-6 would be a violation. There's no such thing as a deleted text, that being said there would have to be real cause to spend the time a resource to recover it.

There is of course that old saying "integrity is what you do when no ones looking"

Nothing in there says you cannot carry the devices on your person while in the field, it states that they cannot be used to aid in the taking of game...  Using it to call mom isn't aiding in taking of game... at least as far as I read.

[luvmystang67]

Here's the electronic communication terminology:

With any electronic device, including, but not limited to, cellular phones, smart phones,
satellite phones, 2-way radios, and GPS devices, used in any manner to communicate the location or
approximate location of any big game animal to another person for the purpose of aiding the take of that
big game animal. Nothing in the rule shall be interpreted to preclude the use of such electronic devices for
communication for other lawful purposes

[lord grizzly]

Currently none of that is breaking the law. With some assumptions I imagine 4-6 would be a violation. There's no such thing as a deleted text, that being said there would have to be real cause to spend the time a resource to recover it.

There is of course that old saying "integrity is what you do when no ones looking"

Nothing in there says you cannot carry the devices on your person while in the field, it states that they cannot be used to aid in the taking of game...  Using it to call mom isn't aiding in taking of game... at least as far as I read.

I agree. Also I never said any different

[bigmacc]

Wow, just checked this thread out and I see a lot of opinions , heres another, just my  ....what the heck did we do to get our game 30, 40 or 50 years ago? Quick answer- WE HUNTED! I remember as a kid my dad and I sitting at the top of a draw in late Nov.or early Dec. in below zero temps watching to see what a Muley would do when spooked, I had to keep records of temperature, wind direction, moon phase, etc, etc, etc! Everything was written in journals. We would do the same in spring and fall. It taught us where deer hung out at different times of year, different temps, winter or summer range. I can tell you it made me a HUNTER. Til this day I don't use electronics, gadgets, or cameras to get my animals and none in our family do either and we do pretty good, I will not knock those that do, but really folks theres a lot to be said to getting out there and HUNTING the way it should be done(IMHO)....If hunting hadn't become so competitive, what it scores, and  commercialized (tv shows, equipment etc) maybe we would still be teaching our young to "HUNT".....just my 

[buglebrush]

Game cameras are something that gets my whole family involved in hunting year round.  I often take my young children to hang cameras, replenish salt, etc...  We always all gather around the computer to see what was on the cards.   It also makes it so fun to see what is in the woods.  Just are an extra layer of year round fun.   And I especially love checking my camera during hunting season, and it's never aided my hunting in any way.  I can see the argument on wireless cameras though. 

[bigmacc]

Game cameras are something that gets my whole family involved in hunting year round.  I often take my young children to hang cameras, replenish salt, etc...  We always all gather around the computer to see what was on the cards.   It also makes it so fun to see what is in the woods.  Just are an extra layer of year round fun.   And I especially love checking my camera during hunting season, and it's never aided my hunting in any way.  I can see the argument on wireless cameras though.

I here you buglebrush and I appreciate what your doing with your kids, we used to do it year round also, we just did it in person with a pack full of sandwiches and an extra pair of socks . My dad worked 60 hrs a week and we lived on the west side, during the crucial times he would pack us up and off we went. Great memories. He would ask us when the rut was, he would let us know if we were close then tell us to "get packed, we are heading out tomorrow!"...Good times, we learned a lot and had a blast! Sometimes it was over and back depending on his work, but what fun!....and all we needed was a journal and a pencil