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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2017, 07:27:30 AM »
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2017, 07:34:05 AM »
Keeping garbage off public lands and convincing campers to pick up after themselves are perennial struggles for land management agencies, but local officials with the U.S. Forest Service say they’re seeing more trash now than at any point in recent memory.

One area on the Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument, which is often used for primitive and free camping, was left in a galling state when Forest Service workers visited it in early September.

“It was a disaster,” said Chelsea Muise, the monument’s recreation program manager.

Several tents and a gazebo were left with piles of clothing trailing out of them. A bathroom area with a primitive toilet was left behind. Empty cans and food bags were piled around the site.

The Forest Service allows up to 14 consecutive days of camping at one site. What workers found indicated whoever left the mess was there longer.

“They had as much food as they could possibly store,” Muise said. “Our initial thought is they were living on the forest. It had probably been weeks, if not a month or so, they’d been living there.”

Crews cleaned up the site and the details were reported to Forest Service law enforcement officials who then began an investigation.

Muise said it isn’t an isolated incident. Forest Service employees are seeing a growing number of trashed campsites that show evidence of people living in the forest.

“We see it two to three times per year when we never used to see it at all,” she said.

Brett Duling, a recreation supervisor on the monument agreed.

“It’s getting more and more frequent,” he said. “People are losing their houses and not having a place to go so they’re coming out here. That’s just (speaking) for the monument really, not the rest of the forest.”

In general, Forest Service employees say they see more people turning to public lands for recreation and that means increased impacts.


Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument and the Gifford Pinchot National Forest are easily accessible for people in the Portland-Vancouver metro area and the southern Puget Sound region.

Recreating on public lands is also an affordable option for those who can’t or won’t pay for seasonal permits to access private forest lands. National Forest passes cost $5 for a day or $30 for an annual pass, whereas timber companies sometimes charge hundreds of dollars for an annual pass. For example, Weyerhaeuser charges $200 or more for seasonal recreational access on its properties in Washington and Oregon.

“Usage is up everywhere, which contributes to more trash everywhere,” said Gifford Pinchot National Forest spokeswoman Sue Ripp.

Duling said they’re seeing the most trash at dispersed camping sites along Roads 25, 81 and 83 near Mount St. Helens. At the end of the weekend, crews might haul 20 to 40 bags of trash out of the campsites in the area.

At one campsite they found a pile of trash with a note on top. The campers explained how they loved the forest and appreciated workers cleaning up the mess for them, since they didn’t have room in their car to take the trash.

“It’s like, you packed it out in your car, but you don’t have the room to bring it home?” Muise said rhetorically.

When workers find a trashed site, they’ll look for receipts or notes — anything they can pass on to Forest Service law enforcement that might lead to the people who left the trash.

Now that winter is setting in, there are fewer campers in the forest but visitors are leaving trash behind. Campers left one site with the charred remains of wooden pallets and trash that didn’t vanish in the campfire.

Muise said the Forest Service can’t put dumpsters on undeveloped campsites because there’s no one to pick them up. In areas where they have dumpsters, the Forest Service must contend with people who fill them with trash from home.

There are trash cans at fee sites, but that doesn’t stop people from littering in those areas. Officials expect similar results if they placed receptacles around the dispersed camping areas.

Instead, the Forest Service is trying a more direct approach, by visiting campers or day-use visitors to offer them garbage bags and asking them to pack out what they pack in.

“Other people that come in to recreate don’t want to see that,” Muise said. “It has mixed success, some people are receptive ... Others don’t want to hear that message.”

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2017, 07:53:32 AM »
It is being used as a homeless camp

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2017, 08:09:47 AM »
You could replace Mt. St. Helens with any place in western Washington in that article. The metropolitan "homelessness" has bled out to the small towns and rural areas everywhere in tolerant western Washington in the past few years. I always wonder how these gypsy pigs have enough money to run a vehicle and buy food?
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2017, 08:13:53 AM »
You could replace Mt. St. Helens with any place in western Washington in that article. The metropolitan "homelessness" has bled out to the small towns and rural areas everywhere in tolerant western Washington in the past few years. I always wonder how these gypsy pigs have enough money to run a vehicle and buy food?

They get it the old fashioned way:  They steal it. 

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2017, 09:48:04 AM »
Yes to all the posts above.  Opioids addiction fueled homelessness is a likely culprit. 
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2017, 09:54:21 AM »
that photo looks like a couple spots i (used) to like fishing at on the kalama.  i've got no interest in parking around a bunch of likely thieves.
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2017, 10:26:42 AM »
The GPNF gets hammered with garbage left behind by huckleberry and mushroom pickers every year.

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2017, 10:50:39 AM »
The GPNF gets hammered with garbage left behind by huckleberry and mushroom pickers every year.

Almost all the primitive camp spots near Strawberry Mountain, have popups and tents left year round with tons of garbage, plastic bags, large rubber bands, and wet clothes.
It is disgusting and everyone knows who is doing it, and not a thing has been done for years.
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2017, 11:39:09 AM »
Disgusting, I came across a camp site this fall. I am now sure if they were scared of bears or if they were used to their toilet at home being where they ate as they krapped  4 feet from their fire ring.
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 11:45:42 AM »
The GPNF gets hammered with garbage left behind by huckleberry and mushroom pickers every year.

Almost all the primitive camp spots near Strawberry Mountain, have popups and tents left year round with tons of garbage, plastic bags, large rubber bands, and wet clothes.
It is disgusting and everyone knows who is doing it, and not a thing has been done for years.
Once again the tax payers (the givers) has to take a back seat to all of this crap. A guy works his butt off all year, obeys the laws, pays his taxes, takes his family camping with the little bit of time he has, just to discover these areas are destroyed... Sounds fair  :rolleyes:
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 08:07:03 AM »
This is a problem largely of the Forest Service's own making--but the article doesn't mention that. 
And since it is clear that I spend more time in out in the the Gifford Pinchot forest than the employees do, here's the inside scoop: most of these camps are commercial pickers with commercial "licenses" from the USFS--mushroom, huckleberry, beargrass etc.  Clean that up and not much garbage is left.

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 08:11:08 AM »
I don't believe you're correct about the pickers being the biggest culprits. Most of these are homeless camps and many are abandoned elk and deer camps. The pickers, for the most part, drive in daily from outside the forest or stay in campers at campsites with services. I know a great many of them.
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 08:26:32 AM »
Those photos show a small community of tents and sundry camps that the people left.  Really, all those tents, they just walked away from?  Weird.

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2017, 08:29:33 AM »
...and many are abandoned elk and deer camps.

Unfortunately I find this all the time. Crap (literally) left behind, trees used for target practice and shot all to hell, carcasses, etc. I'm glad, at least, this article didn't scapegoat hunters.

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2017, 08:40:43 AM »
Those photos show a small community of tents and sundry camps that the people left.  Really, all those tents, they just walked away from?  Weird.
They probably "took" the tents from someone else so they don't really care if they leave them. They'll just "take" more where ever they relocate to.
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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2017, 06:52:08 PM »
I don't believe you're correct about the pickers being the biggest culprits. Most of these are homeless camps and many are abandoned elk and deer camps. The pickers, for the most part, drive in daily from outside the forest or stay in campers at campsites with services. I know a great many of them.

Have you been up around the Randle, Packwood area during harvest time?

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2017, 08:02:27 PM »
I don't believe you're correct about the pickers being the biggest culprits. Most of these are homeless camps and many are abandoned elk and deer camps. The pickers, for the most part, drive in daily from outside the forest or stay in campers at campsites with services. I know a great many of them.

Have you been up around the Randle, Packwood area during harvest time?
I was going to say the same thing from trout lake to the north and west. The berry picker camps easily leave the most trash in that area. They have camps with half a car lot of vehicles and they stay for the whole season, lots of California and Oregon plates.

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Re: Article: Garbage Flowing at Mt. St. Helens
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2017, 06:56:14 PM »
I don't believe you're correct about the pickers being the biggest culprits. Most of these are homeless camps and many are abandoned elk and deer camps. The pickers, for the most part, drive in daily from outside the forest or stay in campers at campsites with services. I know a great many of them.

Have you been up around the Randle, Packwood area during harvest time?
This must be a North/South thing with the GP.  North is commercial pickers/South homeless...

 

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