.25-06 beats out the 6.5 Creedmoor

[Biggerhammer]

.270 Win/ 25-06  both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?

Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting  a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.

Case volume being key?

[bullfisher]

       

[b23]

I'll take my chances with just about, anything, 6.5 over any of the quarter bore cartridges.  In fact, I'd nearly forgotten they still exist. 

Under 500 yards?

At any distance.

For me, the .25cal just doesn't offer much.  IMO, the 6.5 just does everything better and on the low end of the bullet weight scale the .24cal does it better also.  I'm sure this will pis a lot of the quarter bore fans off but again, for me, the .25cal is one of those, it does things ok, it just doesn't do anything great.  Opinions will vary, but that's my take on it.

I’m not trying to argue. Really just trying to learn, and you’re not going to piss me off but the article I posted had this data in it. I know it’s not set in stone but I’m curious your thoughts on this chart.

According to that data, the .25-06 is flatter than the 6.5 out to 600 yards. Not quite as fast and not quite as much energy but it’s not too far off either.

Personally, I don't think the 6.5 Creed or the 260 Rem have enough case capacity to run the 140's so if I had either of those I'd likely never run anything heavier than a 130.  I'll bet if you run the numbers with a 6.5 Creed and a 130 VLD, they'll be pretty darn close.

It's no secret I'm a big fan of the 6.5-284 and even though I think the 6.5 Creed is a well designed round, even in a short action, the 6.5-284 outruns it by 100-125 fps so I just can't bring myself to go there, although if I was looking to buy an off the shelf rifle that I could get a good variety of factory ammo for, the 6.5 Creed would be a hard one to overlook.

[2labs]

Back in the day the big .30's dominated the 1000 yard line in competition. Along came the 6.5-.284, Long before it was a factory chambering. The 6.5-284 and the Sierra 142gr MK changed the whole game and dominated it for a loooooooong time.

The 6.5 Swede is darn close to a 6.5-.284!

Didn't mean too start a pisssin match, just think your short sheeting yourself with a short action 6.5.
We have choices, I research mine pretty hard.

[spoonman]

.270 Win/ 25-06  both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?

Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting  a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.

Case volume being key?

The 25-06 holds approximately 10-12 grains more than the 6.5 creed. The 300wm holds 30+ more grains than the 308. So no it's not at all like comparing those two. Your trying to compare a magnum cartridge to a 308?

Also on a side note the recoil on the 25-06 and 6.5 are very very close to being the same. That can't be said for a 308 vs a 300wm, the 300wm has  significant more felt recoil.

Also velocity is another huge one that is worth comparing in the 25-06 vs 6.5, but not so much in the 308 vs 300wm!

[jackelope]

.270 Win/ 25-06  both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?

Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting  a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.

Case volume being key?

I completely understand they're 2 different cartridges as I think most do. Was more jumping on the bandwagon hipster man bun 6.5 Creedmoor running jokes out there with the article saying the old school .25-06 was beating the CM out.

[grundy53]

I have both. A 25/06 and 6.5 creedmoor. I prefer my 6.5.

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[b23]

.270 Win/ 25-06  both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?

Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting  a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.

Case volume being key?

I completely understand they're 2 different cartridges as I think most do. Was more jumping on the bandwagon hipster man bun 6.5 Creedmoor running jokes out there with the article saying the old school .25-06 was beating the CM out.

Maybe a .308 to 30-06 comparison would have been a better choice, but IMO the same idea would apply and that is, they really shouldn't be compared to one another.

Now, if they compared a 25-06 to a 6.5-06 or 6.5-284 with the 6.5's shooting 130's, IMO, that is much more of a fair comparison.

[grundy53]

I'm really interested in the .257 Weatherby but a little concerned about the recoil.  Not sure how it compares to the old 30-06 but I do know that shooting 165 grain factory ammo out of the 36-06 with no recoil pad tends to make me flinch a little.  Still not quite ready get a 6.5CM yet though.

I have a 257 weatherby mag. The recoil is negligible. Definitely not enough to worry about.

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[bearpaw]

.270 Win/ 25-06  both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?

Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting  a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.

Case volume being key?

I completely understand they're 2 different cartridges as I think most do. Was more jumping on the bandwagon hipster man bun 6.5 Creedmoor running jokes out there with the article saying the old school .25-06 was beating the CM out.

I don't see a problem with comparing any caliber with any other. I have to laugh how some people get shook up, several responses on the original article are just totally out there.

[James]

I don’t own a 6.5 Creedmoor, but every time I look at them I don’t really see the allure.

Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled.  I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but does it do that other cartridges don’t already?

Anyone want to enlighten me?
 

[Skillet]

It's really just marketing a specialized product to the masses.  Truth be told, unless you're target shooting at known long range distances the actual difference between the 112 year old 30-06 with a decent bullet and anything else in "MOST" North American hunting situations is nil.  Dead is dead, you can't engineer or design for a deader deer.  This is really all about marketers creating a fake need that their clients can fill by selling you a new 321 Whizbang, and we eat it up because it promises greater/easier success for a cash investment.  The better thing to do would be to increase trigger time behind that old -06 and increase your lethality that way.

People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer.  If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier.  Study after study proves this out.

But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
 

[jackelope]

For probably 95% of the hunting community nationwide, these comparison don't mean much. All of them will kill deer very dead 0-300 yards.

[jackelope]

.270 Win/ 25-06  both long action chamberings, shouldn't even be used in the same sentence involving 6.5 Creedmoor. Let alone a comparison?

Am I confused by the confusion here. That would be like putting  a .308 Win in the same pool as a .300 Win Mag and attempting to compare ballistics.

Case volume being key?

I completely understand they're 2 different cartridges as I think most do. Was more jumping on the bandwagon hipster man bun 6.5 Creedmoor running jokes out there with the article saying the old school .25-06 was beating the CM out.

I don't see a problem with comparing any caliber with any other. I have to laugh how some people get shook up, several responses on the original article are just totally out there.

I tend to agree, especially when it comes to the way most of the world hunts and shoots. The differences are barely noticeable between them. A couple hundred fps or a couple inches at 300-400 yards really doesn't mean much at all for most hunters.

[James]

I don't disagree with your guys assessment, but what metric specifically is a little bit better than other cartridges?