Proposed Federal/Trump Budget Would Cut Game Wardens in Coastal States

[bigtex]

Fire fighters aren't government employees? What agency stopped logging which resulted in over aged forests?

During the last decade many Americans have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, reduced their lifestyles, lost their business, lost their retirements, lost their homes, lost their health insurance, and have barely made ends meet. At the same time politicians and government workers have experienced pay increases and free healthcare. A little correction is not unreasonable. I doubt we'll see any full scale correction, but many people are going to be happy to see any correction that happens, even if it may not seem fair to some people. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger telling you the way it is! 

Fed salaries have actually stayed stagnant over the past decade. There have been several years of no pay increases and when it does happen, it's a whopping 1%.

The number of federal firefighters are actually down. That's why the feds have to ask states for help more and more.

Free insurance? Well look for yourself on the OPM website.

I'm not "shooting the messenger" I'm saying what you're saying is completely false.

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[olyguy79]

Fire fighters aren't government employees? What agency stopped logging which resulted in over aged forests?

During the last decade many Americans have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, reduced their lifestyles, lost their business, lost their retirements, lost their homes, lost their health insurance, and have barely made ends meet. At the same time politicians and government workers have experienced pay increases and free healthcare. A little correction is not unreasonable. I doubt we'll see any full scale correction, but many people are going to be happy to see any correction that happens, even if it may not seem fair to some people. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger telling you the way it is! 

Fed salaries have actually stayed stagnant over the past decade. There have been several years of no pay increases and when it does happen, it's a whopping 1%.

The number of federal firefighters are actually down. That's why the feds have to ask states for help more and more.

Free insurance? Well look for yourself on the OPM website.

I'm not "shooting the messenger" I'm saying what you're saying is completely false.

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Want a good paying govt job? Work for the local govt. They typically pay better than the feds. Also easier to get hired with locals as the feds are constantly going thru hiring freezes, budget cuts, etc.

Some people need to actually do research and not believe everything heard thru their ears.

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[Fl0und3rz]

"In WA this comes to about a million dollars a year which fully funds three WDFW Officer positions and the vehicle/vessel maintenance, fuel, etc to deal with federal fisheries enforcement."

I don't think I am the only one surprised to learn here that for $1 million, the government only gets 3 guys and a boat for our money.

At that rate, I am inclined to say privatize it and incentivize citizen co-enforcement of it.

Where did I say A boat?

You apparently missed where I said it equated to 6 officers... but fully funded 3 positions

So three people and half the costs for a fleet of vehicles/vessels for a crew of six?

[buglebrush]

I could never summon any sympathy or support for wdfw until they start actually managing properly. 

[bigtex]

"In WA this comes to about a million dollars a year which fully funds three WDFW Officer positions and the vehicle/vessel maintenance, fuel, etc to deal with federal fisheries enforcement."

I don't think I am the only one surprised to learn here that for $1 million, the government only gets 3 guys and a boat for our money.

At that rate, I am inclined to say privatize it and incentivize citizen co-enforcement of it.

Where did I say A boat?
You apparently missed where I said it equated to 6 officers... but fully funded 3 positions

So three people and half the costs for a fleet of vehicles/vessels for a crew of six?

Don't hide the ball.

Funding Type                 Hours                     Cost ($)
Dockside Personnel        9,167                     475,455
At-sea Personnel           1,964                     104,687
Vessel                          982                        98,154
Outreach                     100                         5,100
Administrative              320                          10,880
Indirect/Overhead          N/A                        239,125
Equipment                    N/A                        156,895
Total:                         12,533                    $1,090,256

When you calculate the categories for which there are hours by the total costs for those categories you come out to about $55 an hour, which includes salary and benefits.

[Fl0und3rz]

Thank you for the informed response and my apologies for the short, terse response.

[bearpaw]

Fire fighters aren't government employees? What agency stopped logging which resulted in over aged forests?

During the last decade many Americans have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, reduced their lifestyles, lost their business, lost their retirements, lost their homes, lost their health insurance, and have barely made ends meet. At the same time politicians and government workers have experienced pay increases and free healthcare. A little correction is not unreasonable. I doubt we'll see any full scale correction, but many people are going to be happy to see any correction that happens, even if it may not seem fair to some people. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger telling you the way it is! 

Fed salaries have actually stayed stagnant over the past decade. There have been several years of no pay increases and when it does happen, it's a whopping 1%.

The number of federal firefighters are actually down. That's why the feds have to ask states for help more and more.

Free insurance? Well look for yourself on the OPM website.

I'm not "shooting the messenger" I'm saying what you're saying is completely false.

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1% gain a few years is better than the 70% loss I took in one year. I know others who lost their businesses or jobs entirely and lots of jobs pay less or more often certain positions were eliminated to create lower paying positions. While you may feel slighted, you should feel blessed, government workers have fared pretty well! I always tell people if you can get on a full time job with the "G" do it.

[bigtex]

Fire fighters aren't government employees? What agency stopped logging which resulted in over aged forests?

During the last decade many Americans have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, reduced their lifestyles, lost their business, lost their retirements, lost their homes, lost their health insurance, and have barely made ends meet. At the same time politicians and government workers have experienced pay increases and free healthcare. A little correction is not unreasonable. I doubt we'll see any full scale correction, but many people are going to be happy to see any correction that happens, even if it may not seem fair to some people. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger telling you the way it is! 

Fed salaries have actually stayed stagnant over the past decade. There have been several years of no pay increases and when it does happen, it's a whopping 1%.

The number of federal firefighters are actually down. That's why the feds have to ask states for help more and more.

Free insurance? Well look for yourself on the OPM website.

I'm not "shooting the messenger" I'm saying what you're saying is completely false.

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1% gain a few years is better than the 70% loss I took in one year. I know others who lost their businesses or jobs entirely and lots of jobs pay less or more often certain positions were eliminated to create lower paying positions. While you may feel slighted, you should feel blessed, government workers have fared pretty well! I always tell people if you can get on a full time job with the "G" do it.

You can always find people who do better or who do worse than others.

Want to make a ton of money? Don't work for the feds quite simply. Because unless you get high up, you'll be sitting at about the average US income. If someone wanted to pursue a biology career asked my advice I'd tell them if they wanted to make a lot of money go into the private sector, if you can't get on there then go state, and if not there go federal, especially if they live in the western US. Unfortunately there are some professions where there isn't a private sector option, such as law enforcement. My family is full of state, federal, local and private employees, the highest earners are the private employees.

We all make a choices in life in our career aspirations. You can't fault a guy for going into the private sector or the public sector. Yet for some reason govt employees seem to always be the target. Where's all the people saying Boeing engineers make too much $?

[olyguy79]

Fire fighters aren't government employees? What agency stopped logging which resulted in over aged forests?

During the last decade many Americans have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, reduced their lifestyles, lost their business, lost their retirements, lost their homes, lost their health insurance, and have barely made ends meet. At the same time politicians and government workers have experienced pay increases and free healthcare. A little correction is not unreasonable. I doubt we'll see any full scale correction, but many people are going to be happy to see any correction that happens, even if it may not seem fair to some people. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger telling you the way it is! 

Fed salaries have actually stayed stagnant over the past decade. There have been several years of no pay increases and when it does happen, it's a whopping 1%.

The number of federal firefighters are actually down. That's why the feds have to ask states for help more and more.

Free insurance? Well look for yourself on the OPM website.

I'm not "shooting the messenger" I'm saying what you're saying is completely false.

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1% gain a few years is better than the 70% loss I took in one year. I know others who lost their businesses or jobs entirely and lots of jobs pay less or more often certain positions were eliminated to create lower paying positions. While you may feel slighted, you should feel blessed, government workers have fared pretty well! I always tell people if you can get on a full time job with the "G" do it.

You can always find people who do better or who do worse than others.

Want to make a ton of money? Don't work for the feds quite simply. Because unless you get high up, you'll be sitting at about the average US income. If someone wanted to pursue a biology career asked my advice I'd tell them if they wanted to make a lot of money go into the private sector, if you can't get on there then go state, and if not there go federal, especially if they live in the western US. Unfortunately there are some professions where there isn't a private sector option, such as law enforcement. My family is full of state, federal, local and private employees, the highest earners are the private employees.

We all make a choices in life in our career aspirations. You can't fault a guy for going into the private sector or the public sector. Yet for some reason govt employees seem to always be the target. Where's all the people saying Boeing engineers make too much $?

My daughter-in-law doubled her pay when she went from a full-time bio with Washington DNR to a private entity, with half the responsibilities. The local fed bio made less then her at DNR. 

[KFhunter]

Thanks for putting up with us BT


I think if NOAA is cleaned up, and other federal money is going to enforcement and not being wasted then I'm for it.  I think all of us at HW want to see better, more efficient enforcement, and if these dollars are withheld they'll scavenge money from east side big game enforcement. 

[bigtex]

Thanks for putting up with us BT


I think if NOAA is cleaned up, and other federal money is going to enforcement and not being wasted then I'm for it.  I think all of us at HW want to see better, more efficient enforcement, and if these dollars are withheld they'll scavenge money from east side big game enforcement.

Not a problem.

We've already seen in recent years where no budget cuts have occurred positions in western WA that were historically "land" wardens suddenly turn into marine enforcement positions.

The "land" patrol has been suffering on both sides of the state.