Idaho unit 26/27 cuts

[Chumstick]

I don’t have a dog in this fight as I’ve never hunted 26 or 27, but I can tell this without a doubt;

There are slobbish, non-ethical, egotistical non- resident hunters in every state in the country.  There are also slobbish, non-ethical, egotistical resident hunters in every state in the country.  Guess what one of the two state license plates Montana and Wyoming residents associate with slobbish, non-ethical, egotistical non-resident hunters?  Idaho.

Get over yourself.  You keep telling yourself you did this for the deer, you did it for you.  Just make sure you are proudly telling all of your fellow residents biotching  about their license fee increase that you caused it.  I’m pretty sure you won’t be so loud then.

I’m not saying there isn’t a problem there, I’m saying going about trying to solve it this way is doing the anti’s job for them.  Police your own, or we won’t exist.

Listen man, we have plenty of D-bags here in Idaho too, and you can bet when I see them acting up they catch hell from me too. But I can tell you this, when I’m at an airstrip where there is 80 plus people, and myself and hunting partner are the only 2 residents. Well I didn’t do the things I mentioned above, and neither did the guy next to me, well then it had to be some of the 80 NRs, right??

I know my post was long winded, but if you read it, you’d see I never said we did it for the game. I said we did it for us, the residents, not hiding that one bit.

And believe me I say it all the time, to residents. Our tags are too cheap, and we should be paying more, and so should you. I don’t hide that from anyone. Matter a fact they saw me and my friends say it in person at the IDFG public hearing. Ain’t sceered....

As far as “Getting over myself” I’m working on it, maybe this year when I’m wandering around the Frank, and there is 400 less people, I’ll be able to do that.

[lord grizzly]

HA!!  Let me know if you need a buddy up there in the Frank. I’ll be getting over myself too 

[Karl Blanchard]

Chumstick, great post man.  Hit the nail on the head 

[ipkus]

So be it.  Just understand that divide and conquer works, and ALL of our hunting is going to come to an end that much sooner when we do it to ourselves for selfish reasons.  Enjoy what you’ve got left!!

[lord grizzly]

Next good step to be made will be next year when the sawtooth elk tag goes to draw only. May even be worth putting in for in a couple years

[idaho guy]

I don't see the whole idaho residents are going to freak out over tag price increase deal. Resident tags are so cheap even if the doubled it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Everyone I know would happily pay more to have less out of state hunters
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 :yeah:just what I was thinking we don’t desperately need that money and I won’t complain at all if they raise prices a little

[2MANY]

The problems are the airstrips.
Get rid of the plane access in the wilderness.
Period.

In other units the residents should be addressing the ATV problems.

[jstone]

Chumstick 

[bowhunter1181]

As someone who has lived in both Idaho and Washington, I have seen just as many residents as non-residents act in a manner that I would consider to be a joke while hunting and fishing. As far as making things better for the residents of Idaho I am fine with it. My hope is that we can do the same thing to limit non-resident fishing here in Washington. But you had better believe that if we do, the complaints from non-residents living in land locked states like Idaho will be the first ones to complain that it isn't fair.

[theleo]

As someone who has lived in both Idaho and Washington, I have seen just as many residents as non-residents act in a manner that I would consider to be a joke while hunting and fishing. As far as making things better for the residents of Idaho I am fine with it. My hope is that we can do the same thing to limit non-resident fishing here in Washington. But you had better believe that if we do, the complaints from non-residents living in land locked states like Idaho will be the first ones to complain that it isn't fair.

To bad that If you want truly larger returns of salmon and steelhead in the Columbia you'd need the support of Idaho residents to push for the removal of Hell's Canyon. Washington has to get it's fisheries management figured out before that card is even relevant.

[Hunter_dan]

This is a forum of experts, you seem to have it all figured out. Let’s take a time out here for a second from the derailment that occurred and get back to the actual issue. It’s all fine and good to have an opinion about issues you feel passionate about but do it constructively. Not from the position of a victim but rather a position of accountability. Ultimately what led to this decision was idaho residents taking a stand against the prostitution of the frank church wilderness and its resources. Here comes the accountability part, this was our fault as much as it was any NR’s fault for allowing the continued increase in hunter activity in said zones. It was our fault that we stood on the sidelines silent for so many years while our resources were being abused. But it is now your fault that tag quotas have been set. It is NR’s fault for degrading the hunt experience to the point where this action took place. It is NR’s fault for not caring about the resource as they should have. I’m not going to throw out a bunch of obscure statistics or make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims about commerce simply because it makes you look foolish. None of us are experts but one thing is certain we are entitled to our opinion. In closing I will share a couple of my opinions, if certain individuals on this forum are so successful during the early season then why the disdain towards this decision? You still have the same opportunity to come here in October so what does it matter to you? Instead of complaining about what you don’t have try appreciating what you do have. Secondly I wonder how the backcountry pilots survived in the mid 2000’s when hunter numbers were less than half of what they are to date. Basically what I’m saying is narrow mindedness leads to ignorance.

[MtnMuley]

You Idaho guys are bringing way too much logic, common sense, and correctness into this discussion. Shame on you.

[Mtnwalker]

This is a forum of experts, you seem to have it all figured out. Let’s take a time out here for a second from the derailment that occurred and get back to the actual issue. It’s all fine and good to have an opinion about issues you feel passionate about but do it constructively. Not from the position of a victim but rather a position of accountability. Ultimately what led to this decision was idaho residents taking a stand against the prostitution of the frank church wilderness and its resources. Here comes the accountability part, this was our fault as much as it was any NR’s fault for allowing the continued increase in hunter activity in said zones. It was our fault that we stood on the sidelines silent for so many years while our resources were being abused. But it is now your fault that tag quotas have been set. It is NR’s fault for degrading the hunt experience to the point where this action took place. It is NR’s fault for not caring about the resource as they should have. I’m not going to throw out a bunch of obscure statistics or make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims about commerce simply because it makes you look foolish. None of us are experts but one thing is certain we are entitled to our opinion. In closing I will share a couple of my opinions, if certain individuals on this forum are so successful during the early season then why the disdain towards this decision? You still have the same opportunity to come here in October so what does it matter to you? Instead of complaining about what you don’t have try appreciating what you do have. Secondly I wonder how the backcountry pilots survived in the mid 2000’s when hunter numbers were less than half of what they are to date. Basically what I’m saying is narrow mindedness leads to ignorance.

You forgot the mic drop. Boom.

[Northwest Adventurer]

Chumstick and Hunter Dan. For the record, I’ve been there in September and with 3 tags, 2 deer and and elk tag.. It’s peaceful and I can find critters. I’ll be back and look forward to the chance to meet a few guys like you from ID. As some have said, a$$holes and trashy hunters can come from all over (not just WA). It’s refeshing, although frustrating in this case, the IDFW listened to you guys. This was indeed he right move (maybe full draw will happen next). I will go in September and have the place mostly to myself. I’ll enjoy it as wilderness with the hunting secondary. You guys are welcome in my camp anytime. I’ll be at the strip that rhymes with Baloney.

[Mr Mykiss]

I’ll take it you want a return to the days when you can ride your ATV down the road for a few days and shoot a 180? Maybe since you live in the state you have little excuse to just put in a little effort and find the awesome deer hunting that’s still around...even after the winter of ‘16.
I could give a rip about the Frank. Yes, Hershey and a few others I don’t really know because I’m not on instaface post stories/pics of their bucks from the Frank but most of those folks, as far as I know, go in there for a week or two and go IN THERE. I would reckon that a buncha us “slob NRs” that get flown in there do it just for the experience and go various smaller amounts of distance from the airstrips. Alas, you pay to play nowadays and when big money guy and his buddies find a hunt that ONLY costs a grand and they can hunt from the wall tent at the airstrip and shoot deer and drink whiskey for a week...well there you are.
Here’s the rub friends >>> IDFG NEEDS MONEY!! An absolute ton of their employees are barely paid seasonal folk and they have a lot of state to cover and there’s a lot of work to be done in the fish and wildlife business. I know many of these people. So I spent $1600 in tags last year and only took home 2 deer and a elk...seems legit. I’m a horrible hunter and I found wallhanger mulie’s in archery season in a spot I knew nothing about and is barely hunted...but I’m a bad hunter:( I then took a six point bull home and spent more time driving to/from than I did hunting...in a spot I’ve never hunted. Then I went to a heavily hunted spot and rattled in a whitetail and shot his girlfriend...in a spot I’ve never hunted. And again spent more time driving to/from than hunting. So you’re telling me that as a resident you can’t find good huntin? You sure you don’t need help?
Sorry for my late response but me and my crew were busy working in Idaho and spending money at the ma and pa businesses of Riggins and Grangeville.