Wolf supporters, you happy ?

[buglebrush]

If the wolves are the biggest problem why the decline in ungulates everywhere in the state?Map from Dec. 2017.WDFW

If cars are the biggest problems how come across the West the biggest declines happen in Wilderness areas?   

[Oh Mah]

as i already stated cars are not number 1 because more are killed by cars but because the metro bunny hugging groups outnumber the rest and push legislatures to keep the numbers of ungulates in check making collisions the number one problem for hunters.All the people complaining about the overpass being built should think of that.yes its a waste but who is making them do it and why is what needs discussed.

[Oh Mah]

The numbers don't lie.The fact that you want to deny these facts is laughable.Now if you want to argue bring some facts.

Can you cite your source of these numbers? Numbers mean very little of you pull them out of the air.

Google it yourself,its been posted on here before.For the record i'm not saying that auto kills more than cougar or coyote only saying that it is our number one problem.

When you have a population of people that feel the deer and elk are a danger to motorist and of no interest to them then that's where you get the WDFW way of dealing with the game animals of this state .

Some would say that auto collisions are the straw.

[KFhunter]

as i already stated cars are not number 1 because more are killed by cars but because the metro bunny hugging groups outnumber the rest and push legislatures to keep the numbers of ungulates in check making collisions the number one problem for hunters.All the people complaining about the overpass being built should think of that.yes its a waste but who is making them do it and why is what needs discussed.

OK I get what you're saying, politically speaking, vehicle impacts are what non-hunters are most worried about, but that doesn't mean cars are the #1 killer of deer or elk. 

meh, I don't know.  I know they're pushing that agenda for all the animal bridges over I-90 but your average voter in King CO. probably hasn't even thought about a deer or elk in years and just goes along with what the liberal leaders tell them.

[Oh Mah]

That depends on how you look at it.

Would you agree that because of how the commission runs WDFW,that is controlled by legislatures is why we have a predator problem in the first place?

Would you agree that if the masses in big metro of this state wanted to keep the ungulate herds from being predated would say so and legislature would listen?

Would you agree that there has been a big push from the big metro to curb the ungulate numbers of this state because of collisions?

Would you agree that all the new elk fencing put up is keeping the elk from the road ways but unlike that of the overpasses not allowing the ungulates to be able to spread their gene pool as the main reason to build the over passes was in the first place.

Auto collisions have a huge part in what the dept. is or is not doing to help the herds.

[Tbar]

That depends on how you look at it.

Would you agree that because of how the commission runs WDFW,that is controlled by legislatures is why we have a predator problem in the first place?

Would you agree that if the masses in big metro of this state wanted to keep the ungulate herds from being predated would say so and legislature would listen?

Would you agree that there has been a big push from the big metro to curb the ungulate numbers of this state because of collisions?

Would you agree that all the new elk fencing put up is keeping the elk from the road ways but unlike that of the overpasses not allowing the ungulates to be able to spread their gene pool as the main reason to build the over passes was in the first place.

Auto collisions have a huge part in what the dept. is or is not doing to help the herds.

You are wrong on so many topics.  Oh yeah, all herds are not dwindling.  There are many issues with wildlife management but you are way off base on nearly everything. 

[Oh Mah]

  I love how people like you just say your wrong and that's it.How about you put some reasoning behind your broad statement with facts.


You're wrong on so many levels,Very well thought out.  Wow

[Tbar]

That depends on how you look at it.

Would you agree that because of how the commission runs WDFW,that is controlled by legislatures is why we have a predator problem in the first place?
This is not the reason, voter initiative in the 90s is where I'd start. After that there has been many moves made by the USFWS without regard to state. The wolf plan does suck, but that's a different story.

Would you agree that if the masses in big metro of this state wanted to keep the ungulate herds from being predated would say so and legislature would listen?


Would you agree that there has been a big push from the big metro to curb the ungulate numbers of this state because of collisions?

Would you agree that all the new elk fencing put up is keeping the elk from the road ways but unlike that of the overpasses not allowing the ungulates to be able to spread their gene pool as the main reason to build the over passes was in the first place.

Auto collisions have a huge part in what the dept. is or is not doing to help the herds.

I'll respond later when time allows.  Btw, there are wolves in central Washington.

[Oh Mah]

I will be looking forward to it.In the meen time here is an article explaining how the others feel about our deer and elk in Wa.

 http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/efforts-target-danger-of-growing-central-washington-elk-herd/article_68743596-ea06-11e7-82c0-ff0e3f1b37dc.html


Out of thin air comes facts.But hay(get it lol hay  ) i don't have any facts and im wrong on so many levels.I gave all this time for any one calling me the fool to come up with anything and no one did.So i did,Read it and deny they want our herds low.

[Oh Mah]

That depends on how you look at it.

Would you agree that because of how the commission runs WDFW,that is controlled by legislatures is why we have a predator problem in the first place?
This is not the reason, voter initiative in the 90s is where I'd start. After that there has been many moves made by the USFWS without regard to state. The wolf plan does suck, but that's a different story.

Would you agree that if the masses in big metro of this state wanted to keep the ungulate herds from being predated would say so and legislature would listen?


Would you agree that there has been a big push from the big metro to curb the ungulate numbers of this state because of collisions?

Would you agree that all the new elk fencing put up is keeping the elk from the road ways but unlike that of the overpasses not allowing the ungulates to be able to spread their gene pool as the main reason to build the over passes was in the first place.

Auto collisions have a huge part in what the dept. is or is not doing to help the herds.

I'll respond later when time allows.  Btw, there are 4 wolves in central Washington eating all the deer and elk. (FIXED IT FOR YOU)

[buglebrush]

Protecting Wolves is way way way more important to libs than protecting motorists from wildlife collisions.  SMH...

[Oh Mah]

Protecting Wolves is way way way more important to libs than protecting motorists from wildlife collisions.  SMH...

Can you site facts or is this just your opinion?You didn't even read the article. SMH

[Oh Mah]

http://www.capitalpress.com/Opinion/Editorials/20180419/editorial-state-creates-its-own-elk-problem

[Tbar]

http://www.capitalpress.com/Opinion/Editorials/20180419/editorial-state-creates-its-own-elk-problem

You're an oddball!  So is the state doing too good? You are uninformed and grabbing at anything. 

[Oh Mah]

WOW MORE NAME CALLING FROM THE UNEDUCATED.Thats all you got?No the state is not doing to good for me doing to good for metro state and hay farmers.Try reading you will like reading,it's educational.