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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2018, 11:41:31 AM »
http://www.backcountrychronicles.com/elk-harvest-comparison-western-states/

Elk Harvest Comparison of Western States 2012 – 2016
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I live in the Inter-mountain West and can hunt elk every year with Over-the-Counter (OTC) tags, but constantly keep track of harvest data in other western states for out of state elk hunts.

I gathered data from the state harvest reports to compare the elk harvest data from all western states that still have OTC elk tags.

At the beginning of the New Year (2018), the most up to date harvest data is from the 2016 hunt seasons. This page was originally started in 2012 and has been been updated every year and now includes elk harvest data for each year since 2012.

New tables include Total Elk Harvested, Total Bull Elk Harvested, Total Hunters and Hunter Success.

I originally kept track of the elk harvest from 11 Western States, but now only keep collect harvest data from seven Western States that still have Over-the-Counter (general season) elk hunts; Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wyoming.

Five of these states (Colorado, Idaho, Oregon, Utah & Washington) still have OTC tags available for non-resident hunters.

I dropped Arizona, California, Nevada and New Mexico. because these states only offer limited entry elk hunting (except for a very limited number of OTC tags in Arizona).

Table 1. Total Elk Harvested in 7 Western States with OTC Tags 2012 – 2016
State   2012   2013   2014   2015   2016   AVG
Colorado   43,490   43,606   41,900   44,852   39,306   43,631
Wyoming   26,365   25,968   25,905   24,749   25,852   25,768
Montana   20,550   20,154   25,735   30,924   24,532   24,379
Idaho   16,028   16,231   20,088   23,836   21,326   19,502
Oregon   17,455   16,596   18,772   18,707   17,446   17,795
Utah   16,332   16,879   17,133   19,294      NA   17,410
Washington    9,162    7,246    6,966    7,829   6,796    7,600
Note: Table 1 is ranked by highest average total elk harvested to lowest. Total Elk include Bull Elk and Antlerless Elk, which includes all cows and calves, from all general (OTC) and limited entry (controlled) hunts for all weapons.

Most Elk are Harvested in Colorado
Colorado always has the largest total elk harvest every year (Table 1) and also has the most bull elk harvested (Table 2) and has averaged over 43,000 total elk and just under 22,000 total bull elk each season.

Colorado should have the largest elk harvest because it has the largest elk population, but there were also twice as many hunters in Colorado as any other state (the average is now over 219,000 – Table 3).

In fairness, Colorado has lots of different seasons, so the hunting pressure is spread out. Overall hunter success in Colorado is 5th placed at 19.4% (Table 4).


Table 2. Total Bull Elk Harvest in 7 Western States 2012 – 2016
State   2012   2013   2014   2015   2016   AVG
Colorado   22,208   22,766   22,435   22,558   19,997   21,993
Montana   10,452   10,446   13,142   13,703   11,089   11,766
Wyoming   11,649   11,276   10,976   10,949   12,339   11,438
Oregon   10,963   10,801   12,065   11,598   11,054   11,296
Idaho    9,476    9,355   11,309   13,111   12,386   11,127
Utah    7,683    8,131    7,659    8,090     NA    7,891
Washington    4,945    4,075    3,838    4,467   4,074    4,280
Note: Table 2 is ranked by highest average total bull elk harvested to lowest. Bull Elk include all Antlered Elk including Spike Elk if the state keeps separate records and includes all general season and limited entry hunts for all weapons.

Wyoming and Montana Ranked 2nd and 3rd for Elk Harvest
I call Wyoming and Montana 2nd tier elk hunting states (for overall elk numbers), with total elk harvests ranging between about 20,000 to 30,000 for the 2012 – 2016 hunt seasons.

The average number of elk harvested is very similar between Wyoming (ranked 2nd), just ahead of Montana in the range of 24 – 25,000 total elk harvested.

As for total bull elk harvested, Montana ranks 2nd (average just under 12,000 bull elk) and Wyoming ranks 3rd after the 2016 harvest.

Idaho has ranked with both Wyoming and Montana the past two years for total bull elk harvest, but the 5 year average still ranks behind Oregon.

In this “2nd Tier” group, Montana has averaged the most hunters (over 109,000) followed by Oregon and Idaho. Wyoming has the least number of hunters of all seven states with an average of only 58,100 elk hunters per season.

Wyoming claims an amazing overall 44.4% average hunter success rate (includes OTC tags), followed now by Utah at 26.2% (pending the 2016 harvest data). Idaho dropped to third place followed by Montana.

Note: Wyoming only has OTC tags available for residents and Montana has gone to a draw for Non-residents (but almost everyone still draws). Colorado and Idaho have thousands of OTC tags available for non-residents.

Table 3. Total Elk Hunters in 7 Western States 2012 – 2016
State   2012   2013   2014   2015   2016   AVG
Colorado   215,326   219,166   217,769   221,274   223,745   219,456
Montana   102,861   107,568   107,663   113,959   113,577   109,126
Oregon   103,176   106,639   106,982   106,884   104,216   105,579
Idaho    83,693    88,978    96,220   103,207   101,805    94,781
Washington    67,950    68,572    66,606    68,012   63,557    66,939
Utah    59,175    66,374    69,503    71,175      NA    66,557
Wyoming    57,331    57,785    58,266    58,959   58,159    58,100
Note: Table 3 is ranked by highest average Number of Hunters to lowest.

Idaho, Oregon and Utah Elk Harvest Ranked 4th, 5th and 6th
Idaho, Oregon and Utah are third tier elk hunting states. They were fairly close for the total number of elk harvest with all three states averaging between 17,000 – 19,000 total elk harvested in the last four or five years.

Oregon and Idaho have averaged about 11,000 bull elk and Utah has averaged about 8,000 bull elk harvested each season.

Oregon averages nearly 106,000 elk hunters each season (3rd highest), Idaho has averaged 94,000 and while hunters in Utah are increasing, the four year average has only been about 66,000 hunters (2nd lowest).

In this group, the success rate is lowest in Oregon at 16.8% (6th place overall), and hunter success in Idaho averages 20.9%. That makes Utah look pretty good with a 26.2% success rate (4th place) and all three of these states issue thousands of OTC tags. Elk Populations in Utah are still growing, so look for lots of antlerless tags to be issued in the future.

Table 4. Elk Hunter Success in 7 Western States 2012 – 2016
State   2012   2013   2014   2015   2016   AVG
Wyoming   46.0%   44.9%   44.5%   42.0%   44.5%   44.4%
Utah   27.5%   25.4%   24.7%   27.1%     NA   26.2%
Montana   20.0%   18.7%   23.9%   27.1%   21.6%   22.3%
Idaho   19.2%   18.2%   20.9%   23.1%   22.5%   20.9%
Colorado   20.0%   19.9%   19.2%   20.3%   17.6%   19.4%
Oregon   16.4%   15.6%   17.5%   17.5%   16.7%   16.9%
Washington   13.5%   10.6%   10.5%   11.5%   10.7%   11.4%
Note: Table 4 is ranked by highest average Hunter Success to lowest.

Washington Elk Harvest Ranked 7th
Washington State is a 4th tier elk hunting state, but Washington still offers many OTC tags, so there is a better chance to hunt elk in Washington than in Arizona, California, Nevada and New Mexico combined.

Hunters have harvested between 7,000 and 9,000 elk each season in Washington (2012 – 2016) and have harvested between 3,800 and 5,000 bull elk.

Washington has averaged about 68,000 elk hunters per season, which is more than Utah and Wyoming. Hunting elk in Washington must be tough since the overall harvest success is only 11.5%.

Days of Hunter Effort per Elk Harvest
I’ve started including a new metric that is used by a few states (Wyoming) that I think is a useful compromise between a hunters chances of finding elk and hunter density, and that is the number of hunter days per elk harvest. It is simply the total number of days all hunters spent in the field divided by the total number of elk harvested.

Obviously, all hunter days in the field are not equal. Some hunters climb the highest mountains and hike many miles into the backcountry and others play pocket pool most of the day at camp, but this is a fair representation of how much effort the average hunter will spend to kill an elk.

Table 5. Elk Hunter Effort to Elk Harvest in 6 Western States 2012 – 2016
Numbers represent the number of Hunter Days per Elk Harvest and the table is ranked by the average days from low to high.

State   2012   2013   2014   2015   2016   AVG
Wyoming   17.6   17.8   19.2   19.5   18.3   18.5
Utah   19.2   20.8   21.5   20.3   NA   20.5
Colorado   25.5   25.4   27.6   25.9   30.0   26.8
Oregon   NA   38.6   34.6   NA   NA   36.5
Montana   43.2   45.7   36.7   33.9   43.5   39.9
Idaho   55.8   57.9   51.2   44.8   27.8   46.4
Remember these data are from all weapons and all seasons (general and Limited) combined. Wyoming comes out on top with a five year average of 18.5 hunting days per elk harvested. Utah is in 2nd place with a four year average of 20.5 days per elk harvest.

Colorado is in 3rd place with 26.8 days per harvest and Oregon, Montana and Idaho bring up the rear with 36, 39 and 46 days per harvest.

Washing State is not included because they do not provide hunter effort in their harvest reports. Oregon usually does not provide that data, but I found hunter recreation days for two years in 2013 and 2014, so I used it.

This is obviously related to hunting success, but it puts the amount of effort it takes for the average hunter to harvest an elk.

If harvest success is 20%, that also means 1 hunter out of five harvested an elk. Or it would take five seasons for everyone to get an elk (on average). How many days is five seasons? That depends on the state and the type of hunt, but knowing the average number of days per harvest puts it in perspective.

I know what you’re thinking. Surely we can do better than average. If it takes the average hunter 20 – 40 days to get an elk, we can do it in half that amount of time (10 – 20 days).

I’ll bet you’re right.



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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2018, 11:49:34 AM »
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/the-10-states-that-have-the-best-elk-hunting-hands-down/

3. Utah
Utah rivals Arizona when it comes to trophy elk hunting.

In fact, the world record non-typical elk was taken in the state back in 2008—on public grounds.

Both Utah and Arizona have yielded big elk on public grounds, more than other states. Many hunters say that the two states have the best public land hunting, period.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2018, 12:32:07 PM »
I don't know enough to try and be a know it all on this subject but i see a big difference in results compared to other states game management and wdfw .... sure there are all kinds of factors involved but it is Ultimately on our WDFW to do whatever is necessary. In our own lives do we accept excuses or do we find a way to do what needs to be done--   
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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2018, 12:38:34 PM »
Here are some graphs of the data referenced above.
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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2018, 12:39:18 PM »
Thanks for putting the articles back up,  I found the topic last night and it only had a    .     for a title and no content in the 1st post so I locked it.   

I thought maybe you got mad and deleted the first post or something, making it an empty topic.  Glad it's fixed and thanks to whomever unlocked it. 



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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2018, 12:51:16 PM »
Yeah bob, but given the mild winters in WA and the amount of rainfall, western WA produces some of the most biomass per acre in the entire country (much more than desert states)---which if managed toward game should convert to much higher game numbers/density.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2018, 12:53:30 PM »
Not thin skinned enough to let differing opinions make me delete info that leads to conversation that could be productive if others use facts and experiences... I think the trajectory of this state isn't up and so thought I'd bring in some different info.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2018, 01:18:01 PM »
Bob33-- did you make these graphs ?  Thanks for  helping illustrate my point

Seattle - Tacoma - Bellevue = 4million residents  or over half Washington population, now take the rest of population 3.2 and voila WA is Utah without the number of elk specifically from data but ungulates overall.

Biggest point here is, What is Utah doing to have an increase in game herds resulting in increases in Hunter participation over the last 6 yrs when majority of states are seeing decline in participation and being hurt by dwindling coffers.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2018, 01:50:28 PM »
Utah has like 3x the public lands as wasgington.  It's also a larger state.  More habitat=More animals.  I agree Utah does some things better than us but their prostitution of their wildlife should not be idolized.   
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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2018, 01:58:38 PM »
Bob33-- did you make these graphs ?  Thanks for  helping illustrate my point

Seattle - Tacoma - Bellevue = 4million residents  or over half Washington population, now take the rest of population 3.2 and voila WA is Utah without the number of elk specifically from data but ungulates overall.

Biggest point here is, What is Utah doing to have an increase in game herds resulting in increases in Hunter participation over the last 6 yrs when majority of states are seeing decline in participation and being hurt by dwindling coffers.
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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2018, 02:24:11 PM »
Utah has like 3x the public lands as wasgington.  It's also a larger state.  More habitat=More animals.  I agree Utah does some things better than us but their prostitution of their wildlife should not be idolized.   
Keep in mind that a very, very large chunk of the public land in Utah is not viable elk or deer habitat. (most of the western half of the state).  When you throw in the amount of lands that were taken away with the CWMU units (don't let anyone kid you about them opening up ground to the public as that's just plain not true when compared to the ground taken away from one time public access) I suspect Utah does not actually have a whole lot, if any, more public huntable ground than Washington.  I know a lot of Utah hunters who would get a good laugh out of anyone proclaiming they have a great management system, but that's pretty much true of hunters in any state when asked about how their home state is doing. Grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence. 

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2018, 02:25:48 PM »
In Utah, can residents hunt deer and elk with a rifle every year?

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2018, 02:44:05 PM »
I'm not positive but I don't think there are any OC deer permits, might be some spike only OC elk-I really haven't checked that closely as where I hunt with my family down there is a draw permit for both deer and elk.  If you haven't already, you should download the Utah Big Game proclamation. Makes for an interesting read.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2018, 09:43:03 PM »
Few guys think Utah has some hunting opportunities... what are your thoughts on Utah vs. WA

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,224960.0.html

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2018, 09:50:53 PM »
Here are some graphs of the data referenced above.

The population data is extremely skewed because of Seattle. 

 


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