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Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« on: April 30, 2018, 08:48:16 PM »
DWR Announces Big Game Permit Proposals for 2018 Hunts

Depending on which unit you applied for, you might have a better chance at drawing a permit to hunt big game in Utah this fall.

Buck deer, buck pronghorn, bull moose and Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep are among the animals for which Division of Wildlife Resources biologists are recommending a permit increase.

Covy Jones, big game coordinator for the DWR, says most of the state’s big game species are doing well. “If you enjoy hunting or viewing big game,” Jones says, “it’s a great time to live in Utah.”

Starting March 19, all of the DWR’s big game permit recommendations should be available at www.wildlife.utah.gov/public_meetings.

“The recommendations are arranged by unit,” Jones says, “so you can visit the web page and zero in on the units you applied for.”

Learn more, share your ideas

After you’ve reviewed the ideas at www.wildlife.utah.gov/public_meetings, you can let your Regional Advisory Council members know your thoughts by attending your upcoming RAC meeting or by sending an email to them.

RAC chairmen will share the input they receive with members of the Utah Wildlife Board. The board will meet in Salt Lake City on April 26 to approve big game permit numbers for Utah’s 2018 hunts.

Dates, times and locations for the RAC meetings are as follows:                                               

Southern Region
April 3
5 p.m.
Beaver High School
195 E. Center St.
Beaver

Southeastern Region
April 4
6:30 p.m.
John Wesley Powell Museum
1765 E. Main St.
Green River

Northeastern Region
April 5
6:30 p.m.
DWR Northeastern Region Office
318 N. Vernal Ave.
Vernal

Email

You can also provide your comments to your RAC via email. Email addresses for your RAC members are available at www.wildlife.utah.gov/dwr/rac-members.html.

The group each RAC member represents (sportsman, non-consumptive, etc.) is listed under each person’s email address. You should direct your email to the people on the RAC who represent your interest.

Permit recommendations

The following are the total number of permits DWR biologists are recommending for Utah’s 2018 big game hunts:

Hunt                                                    2017                            2018

General buck deer                              89,050                         91,050

Premium limited entry deer                184                              184   

Management buck deer                     61                                71
(including “cactus” bucks)

Limited entry deer                               1,191                           1,153

Doe deer                                             1,470                           1,955 

General any bull elk                            15,000                         15,000

Youth any bull elk                               500                              500

General spike bull elk                         15,000                         15,000

Limited entry bull elk                           2,833                           2,892 

Cow elk, public draw                          9,830                           10,090

Cow elk, private lands only                 8,790                           9,105

Buck pronghorn                                  849                              1,021 

Doe pronghorn                                    750                              760

Bull moose                                          68                                84     

Cow moose                                         22                                34

Bison                                                   148                              152

Bison (archery only)                           10                                15

Desert bighorn sheep                          53                                56                                         

Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep          32                                40

Mountain goat                                     106                              117

Mountain goat (archery only)              2                                  4

Big game animals doing well

While all of Utah’s big game species are doing well, Jones is especially excited about the following:

General buck deer

After the deer hunts are over each fall, DWR biologists go afield and classify the number of bucks, does and fawns on each unit. On 11 of Utah’s 29 general season units, biologists want to see 15 to 17 bucks per 100 does. On the remaining 18 units, the objective is 18 to 20 bucks per 100 does.

Based on the number of bucks observed after the hunts last fall, biologists are comfortable allowing more permits on 10 units. On six units, they’re recommending a permit decrease. On 13 units, permit numbers would stay the same as 2017.

On most of the units where an increase is recommended, the general rifle hunt has been split into two hunts—an early hunt in September and a later hunt in October.

“Permits will be split between two hunts,” Jones says. “That should help reduce hunter crowding and hopefully allow everyone to have a good experience.”

Buck pronghorn

A new management plan for pronghorn will give more hunters a chance to hunt buck pronghorn in Utah this fall.

Data collected in Utah and other states suggest two things about buck pronghorn in the West: excluding bucks that are taken by hunters, survival rates for bucks are relatively low (typically less than 80 percent). And they attain most of their horn size by two years of age.

“Because of these lower survival rates ” Jones says, “and because most of their horn growth occurs by two years of age, it doesn’t make sense to manage for older animals.”

Utah’s pronghorn management plan was revised in fall 2017. “The plan directs us to manage the population such that the average age of pronghorn taken by hunters is between two and three years of age,” he says.

In past years, most pronghorn taken by hunters in Utah were almost four years old.

“Because we are now managing for younger animals,” Jones says, “we can offer more hunting opportunities this fall while still providing a quality opportunity for hunters.”

Bighorn sheep

In the case of Rocky Mountain bighorns, a new population on the Oak Creek Mountains has increased to the point that hunters can take a few rams. “And the population on the Newfoundland Mountains is doing really well,” Jones says. “We’re excited that more Rocky Mountain and desert bighorn sheep opportunities might be offered in Utah this fall.


https://www.heraldextra.com/sanpete-county/sports/dwr-announces-big-game-permit-proposals-for-hunts/article_0509493c-7c51-574c-988a-2f1893256309.html

http://www.standard.net/Hunting/2018/04/05/Despite-national-decline-hunting-and-fishing-remains-strong-in-Utah

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=39620186&nid=1288
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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage like Utah
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2018, 08:56:35 PM »
 :dunno: If you believe in privatization of wildlife... And a deviation from the model. 

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage like Utah
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2018, 09:15:20 PM »
20K people would not be deer hunting and nearly 20k people would not be hunting elk.  Success rates would go up but simply because there would be less hunters.  Washington had 112K deer hunters and 59K elk hunters.  If we wanted a truly good hunting experience here we would need better predator management and way less people in the woods each year.   

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage game herds like Utah
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 09:23:43 PM »
Washington has three times as many people per square mile as Utah. Tough to compete with that.
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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage game herds like Utah
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2018, 09:37:27 PM »
Yeah, it's not really a matter of "knowing" how to manage wildlife, it's really dependent on the amount of habitat available and the number of people wanting to hunt the wildlife within the particular state. I'm pretty sure our DFW knows how to manage wildlife, and they choose to manage for the most hunter opportunity and the most revenue.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage game herds like Utah
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2018, 09:38:59 PM »
Washington has three times as many people per square mile as Utah. Tough to compete with that.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage game herds like Utah
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 09:48:24 PM »


Smallest Western State and highest population, there are more people in King County than some entire states!

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage game herds like Utah
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2018, 10:10:42 PM »
Yeah, it's not really a matter of "knowing" how to manage wildlife, it's really dependent on the amount of habitat available and the number of people wanting to hunt the wildlife within the particular state. I'm pretty sure our DFW knows how to manage wildlife, and they choose to manage for the most hunter opportunity and the most revenue.
Too busy trying to appease the greenies than to manage wildlife.  Cats and bears are high, no law says dogs can't be used for yotes, etc.

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2018, 10:27:03 PM »
 :dunno: what happened to the topic?  The op realize what Utard is all about? Utah is the model of how not to manage. They are corrupt from all aspects. We are headed that direction though,  they sell 10% of the goat tags and 20% of the sheep tags.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2018, 09:53:01 AM »
Wasn't trying to delete anything. I was trying to edit the title to reflect more of a game herd managment aspect than anything about managing land issues and also add a few more articles but as happens with phones sometimes, I left nothing when I closed tab... continue on with the glorification of WA as a predator first management strategy, it's working out so well we definitely shouldn't look at any other states for examples on how to increase ungulates.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2018, 10:05:45 AM »
Wasn't trying to delete anything. I was trying to edit the title to reflect more of a game herd managment aspect than anything about managing land issues and also add a few more articles but as happens with phones sometimes, I left nothing when I closed tab... continue on with the glorification of WA as a predator first management strategy, it's working out so well we definitely shouldn't look at any other states for examples on how to increase ungulates.
I agree
It might be time to go a different way of game management ,cause Washington is not getting it done.I want more quality,and quantity of game in that order .I want my 4pt min back!

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage like Utah
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2018, 10:58:30 AM »
:dunno: If you believe in privatization of wildlife... And a deviation from the model.

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2018, 11:00:22 AM »
:dunno: what happened to the topic?  The op realize what Utard is all about? Utah is the model of how not to manage. They are corrupt from all aspects. We are headed that direction though,  they sell 10% of the goat tags and 20% of the sheep tags.

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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2018, 11:01:20 AM »
While I agree Washington's method of madness is garbage, Utah is the exact opposite of where any state should go.
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Re: Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2018, 11:02:41 AM »
Wasn't trying to delete anything. I was trying to edit the title to reflect more of a game herd managment aspect than anything about managing land issues and also add a few more articles but as happens with phones sometimes, I left nothing when I closed tab... continue on with the glorification of WA as a predator first management strategy, it's working out so well we definitely shouldn't look at any other states for examples on how to increase ungulates.
I agree
It might be time to go a different way of game management ,cause Washington is not getting it done.I want more quality,and quantity of game in that order .I want my 4pt min back!

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