Wish WDFW knew how to manage WILDLIFE like Utah

[bearpaw]

Maybe the people who made the graphs had the wrong data?

[bearpaw]

The graph was wrong, but I think my point should still be taken seriously!

Page 47: https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01676/wdfw01676.pdf
WDFW currently recognizes 10 major elk herds totaling approximately 56,000 to 60,000 animals.

[bearpaw]

their prostitution of their wildlife should not be idolized.

The way that state manages it's tags in the Expo program...people should be in jail.

Utah has worked very hard to get the reputation of being one of the most corrupt states in the union and their tag programs only solidifies that reputation. I have no idea why the sportsmen there tolerate it. (grew up there and love the state, but the politics and corruption make it impossible for me to live there)

They are mandated by law to give only 30% of the $5.00 application fee for conservation. Nobody (but SFW)really knows what they do with the other 70%.

I think Utah has some very good management, overall much better than WA. The biggest difference is that Utah manages predators more aggressively and Utah has recently gone to limited entry on deer to replenish herds whereas WA continues to sell unlimited numbers of deer tags, I guess it depends on what you want out of hunting as to which is better? I see both sides of that issue!

If true, I agree that more than 30% should go back to conservation from the sale of application fees. What application fees are you referencing? Application fees for big game is $10 in Utah! I would like to see some evidence to support that claim, whatever it is that you are claiming? 

[bearpaw]

The graph was wrong, but I think my point should still be taken seriously!

Page 47: https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01676/wdfw01676.pdf
WDFW currently recognizes 10 major elk herds totaling approximately 56,000 to 60,000 animals.

I'm also wondering if perhaps we used to have 90,000 elk and WDFW has allowed the herds to dwindle to 60,000 in recent years? WDFW has done a pretty good job of hiding historical harvest data on many species!

[Bob33]

The graph was wrong, but I think my point should still be taken seriously!

Page 47: https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01676/wdfw01676.pdf
WDFW currently recognizes 10 major elk herds totaling approximately 56,000 to 60,000 animals.

I'm also wondering if perhaps we used to have 90,000 elk and WDFW has allowed the herds to dwindle to 60,000 in recent years? WDFW has done a pretty good job of hiding historical harvest data on many species!

The most recent estimate is just over 40,000. The target range is 50,000 to 60,000.

[bearpaw]

The graph was wrong, but I think my point should still be taken seriously!

Page 47: https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01676/wdfw01676.pdf
WDFW currently recognizes 10 major elk herds totaling approximately 56,000 to 60,000 animals.

I'm also wondering if perhaps we used to have 90,000 elk and WDFW has allowed the herds to dwindle to 60,000 in recent years? WDFW has done a pretty good job of hiding historical harvest data on many species!

The most recent estimate is just over 40,000. The target range is 50,000 to 60,000.

That is the WDFW management plan I quoted saying we have 56k to 60k elk, have we actually lost 16k to 20k elk since 2015?

[idahohuntr]

their prostitution of their wildlife should not be idolized.

The way that state manages it's tags in the Expo program...people should be in jail.

Utah has worked very hard to get the reputation of being one of the most corrupt states in the union and their tag programs only solidifies that reputation. I have no idea why the sportsmen there tolerate it. (grew up there and love the state, but the politics and corruption make it impossible for me to live there)

They are mandated by law to give only 30% of the $5.00 application fee for conservation. Nobody (but SFW)really knows what they do with the other 70%.

I think Utah has some very good management, overall much better than WA. The biggest difference is that Utah manages predators more aggressively and Utah has recently gone to limited entry on deer to replenish herds whereas WA continues to sell unlimited numbers of deer tags, I guess it depends on what you want out of hunting as to which is better? I see both sides of that issue!

If true, I agree that more than 30% should go back to conservation from the sale of application fees. What application fees are you referencing? Application fees for big game is $10 in Utah! I would like to see some evidence to support that claim, whatever it is that you are claiming? 

These are the 200 expo tags the state of Utah gives to SFW/MDF for the hunt expo...taken right out of the draw tag pool.  $5 app fee, and after 5 years of no requirements, there is now a requirement to spend 30% of that $5 fee on conservation projects.  RMEF submitted a bid to give 100% of app fees to conservation projects, but somehow lost out to SFW and their 30%...thereby confirming Utah has the most corrupt DWR in the whole country.  They are a joke...actually its not funny...they are criminals.  Read a bunch of info at the link below...or just google SFW/Utah...surprised you've never heard of this scam. 

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID5/24863.html

[Bob33]

The graph was wrong, but I think my point should still be taken seriously!

Page 47: https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01676/wdfw01676.pdf
WDFW currently recognizes 10 major elk herds totaling approximately 56,000 to 60,000 animals.

I'm also wondering if perhaps we used to have 90,000 elk and WDFW has allowed the herds to dwindle to 60,000 in recent years? WDFW has done a pretty good job of hiding historical harvest data on many species!

The most recent estimate is just over 40,000. The target range is 50,000 to 60,000.

That is the WDFW management plan I quoted saying we have 56k to 60k elk, have we actually lost 16k to 20k elk since 2015?

See attached. I received this from WDFW a couple weeks ago and was told the actual number is just over 40,000.

[bobcat]

I added up population estimates for each of the elk herds shown in the 2017 Game Status Report and I get 40,870.

This doesn't include the Selkirk herd as they don't seem to have an estimate for that herd, so maybe add another 1,000 or so?

https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01961/wdfw01961.pdf

[bearpaw]

The graph was wrong, but I think my point should still be taken seriously!

Page 47: https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01676/wdfw01676.pdf
WDFW currently recognizes 10 major elk herds totaling approximately 56,000 to 60,000 animals.

I'm also wondering if perhaps we used to have 90,000 elk and WDFW has allowed the herds to dwindle to 60,000 in recent years? WDFW has done a pretty good job of hiding historical harvest data on many species!

The most recent estimate is just over 40,000. The target range is 50,000 to 60,000.

That is the WDFW management plan I quoted saying we have 56k to 60k elk, have we actually lost 16k to 20k elk since 2015?

See attached. I received this from WDFW a couple weeks ago and was told the actual number is just over 40,000.

Thanks Bob, it says spring 2018 spring monitoring indicated 40k to 50k elk. I do not know what time of the year numbers are traditionally taken for recording the annual elk population. I would like to think that 40k-50k in the spring translates into 50k to 70k in the fall after calving? However, with the impacts of recent predator increases and hoof rot we may not get much of a bump in population? It appears the elk population is continuing to decline which brings us back to the fact that we probably need to do something different in WA!

[Bob33]

The graph was wrong, but I think my point should still be taken seriously!

Page 47: https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01676/wdfw01676.pdf
WDFW currently recognizes 10 major elk herds totaling approximately 56,000 to 60,000 animals.

I'm also wondering if perhaps we used to have 90,000 elk and WDFW has allowed the herds to dwindle to 60,000 in recent years? WDFW has done a pretty good job of hiding historical harvest data on many species!

The most recent estimate is just over 40,000. The target range is 50,000 to 60,000.

That is the WDFW management plan I quoted saying we have 56k to 60k elk, have we actually lost 16k to 20k elk since 2015?

See attached. I received this from WDFW a couple weeks ago and was told the actual number is just over 40,000.

Thanks Bob, it says spring 2018 spring monitoring indicated 40k to 50k elk. I do not know what time of the year numbers are traditionally taken for recording the annual elk population. I would like to think that 40k-50k in the spring translates into 50k to 70k in the fall after calving? However, with the impacts of recent predator increases and hoof rot we may not get much of a bump in population? It appears the elk population is continuing to decline which brings us back to the fact that we probably need to do something different in WA!

I'm sure there is seasonal variation; I'm not certain how much it changes from spring through fall.

It certainly does suggest the population is in decline: “…the statewide population was 40,000-50,000 elk, which is the lowest estimate the Department has documented in more than a decade…”

[grundy53]

The graph was wrong, but I think my point should still be taken seriously!

Page 47: https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01676/wdfw01676.pdf
WDFW currently recognizes 10 major elk herds totaling approximately 56,000 to 60,000 animals.

I'm also wondering if perhaps we used to have 90,000 elk and WDFW has allowed the herds to dwindle to 60,000 in recent years? WDFW has done a pretty good job of hiding historical harvest data on many species!

The most recent estimate is just over 40,000. The target range is 50,000 to 60,000.

That is the WDFW management plan I quoted saying we have 56k to 60k elk, have we actually lost 16k to 20k elk since 2015?

See attached. I received this from WDFW a couple weeks ago and was told the actual number is just over 40,000.

Thanks Bob, it says spring 2018 spring monitoring indicated 40k to 50k elk. I do not know what time of the year numbers are traditionally taken for recording the annual elk population. I would like to think that 40k-50k in the spring translates into 50k to 70k in the fall after calving? However, with the impacts of recent predator increases and hoof rot we may not get much of a bump in population? It appears the elk population is continuing to decline which brings us back to the fact that we probably need to do something different in WA!

I'm sure there is seasonal variation; I'm not certain how much it changes from spring through fall.

It certainly does suggest the population is in decline: “…the statewide population was 40,000-50,000 elk, which is the lowest estimate the Department has documented in more than a decade…”

The st Helen's herd and the willapa hills herd have been getting decimated by hoof rot. Throw in the Yakima herds decline and I'm not surprised that the elk count is way down.

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