Lion attack in North bend?

[dreamunelk]

This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/

Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.

While we can second guess the people involved.  This was definitely not normal cougar behavior.  Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies. 

[bearpaw]

This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/

Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.

While we can second guess the people involved.  This was definitely not normal cougar behavior.  Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.

I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:

Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)

Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?

The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.

Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!

[bigtex]

And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.

I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better

A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.

I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.

Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.

I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!

This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/

Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.

While we can second guess the people involved.  This was definitely not normal cougar behavior.  Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.

I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:

Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)

Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?

The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.

Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!

How many live in WA compared to ID?

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[olyguy79]

And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.

I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better

A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.

I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.

Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.

I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!

This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/

Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.

While we can second guess the people involved.  This was definitely not normal cougar behavior.  Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.

I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:

Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)

Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?

The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.

Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!

How many live in WA compared to ID?

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There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.



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[Mudman]

People in Id use their lands.  they don't just hike bird watch and hug trees.  I doubt that assumption is accurate.  Also their land is open to public and not just permit pass etc.  More people sitting in starbucks with their wifi then in the woods. 

[boneaddict]

As far as I'm concerned this lies squarely on the shoulders of those people in anti-hunting groups who oppose predator hunting and those people in WDFW and government who allow anti-hunting groups to control the narrative on predator hunting in WA. If you are reading this you should hand your head in shame! Sad day for two innocent people, my condolences go out to the families.

And as prey animals disappear this will happen more and more.  Loss of fear, and an easy meal.   Bad combination

[Bango skank]

2 lions for 39 sq mi?  What a joke.  I have 21 acres and get at least 5 or 6 different cats on my property every year, not counting cubs.  And tracks and tcam evidence on public land....  wdfw cant be that stupid, theyre just flat out lying through their teeth.

[olyguy79]

People in Id use their lands.  they don't just hike bird watch and hug trees.  I doubt that assumption is accurate.  Also their land is open to public and not just permit pass etc.  More people sitting in starbucks with their wifi then in the woods.

Spend much time on the forest lands in King Co?

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[jackelope]

People in Id use their lands.  they don't just hike bird watch and hug trees.  I doubt that assumption is accurate.  Also their land is open to public and not just permit pass etc.  More people sitting in starbucks with their wifi then in the woods.

What does this even mean?

There is crap tons of land in this state open to use without permits. I have a discover pass and a forest pass and I’ve never needed any other kind of pass to access tons and tons of western Washington public land. Nevermind eastern Washington land.

[Elkcollector82]

2 lions for 39 sq mi?  What a joke.  I have 21 acres and get at least 5 or 6 different cats on my property every year, not counting cubs.  And tracks and tcam evidence on public land....  wdfw cant be that stupid, theyre just flat out lying through their teeth.

Yes......yes they can be that stupid.

[Bango skank]

Here are a couple lion kills right behind my house this winter.  The fresh one, it was 10°f out, and when i found it, pulled on a hoof, there was still a big pile of steaming liquid blood.

[Bango skank]

Big ol mama cat scratching up a log maybe 80 yards behind my house...  and bonus pics of her with her cubs.

[KFhunter]

for you bikers out there, how do you carry your pistol?


I have a safariiland drop holster and it works surprisingly well when I'm on the bicycle.  I like the buckle on the belt so it's easy to pop the rig off my leg for driving, then put it back on just as easy.  I might switch it up but it's working pretty good now.  I did take off the level 3 retention hood, don't need that in the woods, so the holster is just open top now.



A chest rig would work well for bicycling, but conflicts with a back pack.  I use an Eberlestock X1A1, and need to carry the pistol pretty low to clear the belly strap on the backpack because I have some small pouches on the belly band.

[timberfaller]

Well after reading the reports, the guy riding off to get into cell range after being attacked first, probably doesn't own or like guns, leaving his(girl)friend behind, he'll have to live with that now too!!

After this years Hunter Ed IST and the "cougar" update and study being done, PLUS the wolf issue, YOU'D be pretty dumb not to go "armed" into the forest or "back yard" of many of the states housing developments!!

[Bob33]

Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.

It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.

Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle.  The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.

Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.

Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.