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Quote from: KFhunter on June 02, 2018, 10:17:24 PMThis ain't a street corner vendor in a city trying to stop thieves from stealing a soda pop, it's spread over 1000's of acres. The wolf advocates want ranchers to do all these things to prevent wolves from killing their livestock but it doesn't work. Several ranchers and sheep herders in this area have worked very closely with CNW, DOW and other NGO's including WDFW to deter wolves all to no avail. The fladdery, super fladdery, range riders ETC ETC ETC ETC (and new stuff being added all the time because the old stuff doesn't work) "wolf prevention" is just political capitol to sell to the ignorant public "see we're doing everything we can", and when it doesn't work....well, see the case of Dashell. Dashell was ranging his sheep on private property he went from a model rancher with NGO's and WDFW singing praises at how everyone should emulate him, he was hanging fladdery, range riders - all of the stuff the wolf huggers wanted he was putting it up, then wolves came and ate his sheep, WDFW issued kill permits so he could defend his sheep, then all the sudden he was a welfare rancher on the dole, grazing his sheep in wolf country and was a big POS. He got threats on his phone, email and social media. Literally overnight he was demonized, he had to gather the community and move his sheep off private property to a different location. He had a mutually beneficial deal to knock down noxious weeds off timber ground, I think it was Stimson, so now they got to spray chemical crap all over the ground. but I'm sure that's very similar to a thief trying to lift a pack of cigs. Apples to Audis (the alliteration makes it sound better than using Volkswagen) is a fair comparison in some situations. We're not comparing their ability to perform a specific task, just showing the similarity between two different businesses which revolve around two different commodities. The exact commodity isn't necessarily relevant to the big picture of what's going on.Even in the example you gave, the similarities are there. Ranchers have a commodity they're trying to protect from theft/loss. They initially follow accepted "best practices" to reduce the inevitable loss of goods. In your scenario those steps failed so the rancher stepped up and took on the additional expense of trying more aggressive tactics to reduce the loss/theft. When that failed he went to a government agency for additional options which were given in the form of a kill permit. What isn't clear in your example is whether or not the rancher followed through with the kill permits. I'm also unclear whether the land he was initially on was owned by him or if it was property owned by a private timber company which he used under a mutually beneficial agreement.In your example you have a private company which took basic steps to prevent loss of goods, then moved to more advanced methods to prevent loss, the looked to a government agency for a solution which (likely) was tried but failed to resolve the bigger issue of loss/theft. That sounds a awful lot like the example I gave. Change the commodity we're talking about and the scenario is very similar.Quote from: buglebrush on June 02, 2018, 11:33:36 PMThe government protects the wolves, but outlaws and prosecutes thieves. Not even close to a fair comparison. Pull your head out if the sand. And we all know that by outlawing and prosecuting thieves the issue has been completely resolved. It would be interesting to see what the total percentage of loss is in each industry. What percentage of total revenue is lost in the ranching industry to predators relative to the percentage of revenue lost to theft in the retail industry? Additionally, what percentage of total revenue in each industry is spent on preventative measures to reduce loss?Quote from: bearpaw on June 03, 2018, 10:21:18 AMThe biggest difference I see is that you would face more repercussion if wolves are shot than robbers.Depending on where you are that might be true! I remember asking the local PD if I could use lethal force after somebody stole something off one of my delivery vehicles (which the driver left inadequately secured). The advice I was given is that vehicular man slaughter carries a pretty short sentence. Maybe the same applies for "roadkill" wolves.
This ain't a street corner vendor in a city trying to stop thieves from stealing a soda pop, it's spread over 1000's of acres. The wolf advocates want ranchers to do all these things to prevent wolves from killing their livestock but it doesn't work. Several ranchers and sheep herders in this area have worked very closely with CNW, DOW and other NGO's including WDFW to deter wolves all to no avail. The fladdery, super fladdery, range riders ETC ETC ETC ETC (and new stuff being added all the time because the old stuff doesn't work) "wolf prevention" is just political capitol to sell to the ignorant public "see we're doing everything we can", and when it doesn't work....well, see the case of Dashell. Dashell was ranging his sheep on private property he went from a model rancher with NGO's and WDFW singing praises at how everyone should emulate him, he was hanging fladdery, range riders - all of the stuff the wolf huggers wanted he was putting it up, then wolves came and ate his sheep, WDFW issued kill permits so he could defend his sheep, then all the sudden he was a welfare rancher on the dole, grazing his sheep in wolf country and was a big POS. He got threats on his phone, email and social media. Literally overnight he was demonized, he had to gather the community and move his sheep off private property to a different location. He had a mutually beneficial deal to knock down noxious weeds off timber ground, I think it was Stimson, so now they got to spray chemical crap all over the ground. but I'm sure that's very similar to a thief trying to lift a pack of cigs.
The government protects the wolves, but outlaws and prosecutes thieves. Not even close to a fair comparison. Pull your head out if the sand.
The biggest difference I see is that you would face more repercussion if wolves are shot than robbers.
Quote from: bearpaw on June 03, 2018, 10:21:18 AMThe biggest difference I see is that you would face more repercussion if wolves are shot than robbers.I hope your joking because it's certainly not true.
Don't forget : If someone is going to rob and kill you, you must employ 2 deterrents to stop said robber and killer.
Quote from: CAMPMEAT on June 14, 2018, 06:56:25 PMDon't forget : If someone is going to rob and kill you, you must employ 2 deterrents to stop said robber and killer.I heard there are silent "special recipes" that work very well as a deterrent, robbers just disappear.
Quote from: wolfbait on June 16, 2018, 07:37:53 AMQuote from: CAMPMEAT on June 14, 2018, 06:56:25 PMDon't forget : If someone is going to rob and kill you, you must employ 2 deterrents to stop said robber and killer.I heard there are silent "special recipes" that work very well as a deterrent, robbers just disappear. FYI: You can buy Xylitol at any health food store. Little store in Diamond Lake has it. Deadly for canines, but harmless for other animals and widely used as a zero calorie sugar replacement by humans.
