Wolves tree DNR worker in Okanogan county

[wolfbait]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

Well, that's what usually happens when the government has to spend thousands of dollars to go rescue someone out of the wilderness. Personally, I don't care who she is as long as we can get to the bottom of the story. That's where the rub is. Without knowing who she is, we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the responsible department and exactly what they were doing there and why they whisked her away before the local authorities had a chance to question her for information which could be used to keep locals safe. It certainly wasn't a salmon count and it was handled oddly.

The department responsible for what?

Here's the thing. Wolves are wild animals. They could be dangerous to people. So could bears. So could lions. So could raccoons. People shouldn't need to be told that. If you do, you might consider taking up a new hobby.

Typical load of BS.

Not quite right there jack, I have run into several folks from different parts of the country who seem to think wolves  don't attack people, they are shy timid creatures etc.. So you say the people shouldn't need to be told that there have been several human/wolf attacks. I bet WDFW are cheering you on right now, because they sure as hell haven't been honest with the public in that department either.


Why doesn't the USFWS, WDFW report to the public about the wolf attacks where the wolf was shot, investigated and proven to be legit? Or even the reports of wolves following/stalking people in the Okanogan? They wouldn't be trying to hide the many wolf/human conflicts would they? Maybe keep the same BS stories they have told about the wolves being shy creatures in the forefront?

We wouldn't be hearing about this story if it hadn't involved the sheriff office or DNR, it would be like all the others, hidden from the public.

How long would it have taken to get a wolf pack confirmed if there wouldn't have been a 911 call of a wolf pack hanging out at a school buss stop? People had lost stock to the wolves, reported wolves in several different areas, and WDFW ignore all of them, except they couldn't get around the 911 call.

Carry on jack, you'r doing just dandy....

Don’t ever go into the woods alone, man. There’s no telling what wild animal could attack with no warning. Before you know it you’ll be up a tree.

That's pretty good jack, down play the dangers of wolves.

I would imagine that if folks knew of the many other human/wolf encounters that didn't reflect well for the wolves, there would be more of a push for management, something your friends at WDFW and CNW are not in favor of.

[CAMPMEAT]

I think the public should be informed of any and all wolf attacks in Washington. The WDFW, USFWS, DNR etc work for us. They report on every coyote sighting in Seattle and call out the SWAT teams and plaster it all over the news,,,,,,

[jackelope]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

Well, that's what usually happens when the government has to spend thousands of dollars to go rescue someone out of the wilderness. Personally, I don't care who she is as long as we can get to the bottom of the story. That's where the rub is. Without knowing who she is, we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the responsible department and exactly what they were doing there and why they whisked her away before the local authorities had a chance to question her for information which could be used to keep locals safe. It certainly wasn't a salmon count and it was handled oddly.

The department responsible for what?

Here's the thing. Wolves are wild animals. They could be dangerous to people. So could bears. So could lions. So could raccoons. People shouldn't need to be told that. If you do, you might consider taking up a new hobby.

Typical load of BS.

Not quite right there jack, I have run into several folks from different parts of the country who seem to think wolves  don't attack people, they are shy timid creatures etc.. So you say the people shouldn't need to be told that there have been several human/wolf attacks. I bet WDFW are cheering you on right now, because they sure as hell haven't been honest with the public in that department either.


Why doesn't the USFWS, WDFW report to the public about the wolf attacks where the wolf was shot, investigated and proven to be legit? Or even the reports of wolves following/stalking people in the Okanogan? They wouldn't be trying to hide the many wolf/human conflicts would they? Maybe keep the same BS stories they have told about the wolves being shy creatures in the forefront?

We wouldn't be hearing about this story if it hadn't involved the sheriff office or DNR, it would be like all the others, hidden from the public.

How long would it have taken to get a wolf pack confirmed if there wouldn't have been a 911 call of a wolf pack hanging out at a school buss stop? People had lost stock to the wolves, reported wolves in several different areas, and WDFW ignore all of them, except they couldn't get around the 911 call.

Carry on jack, you'r doing just dandy....

Don’t ever go into the woods alone, man. There’s no telling what wild animal could attack with no warning. Before you know it you’ll be up a tree.

That's pretty good jack, down play the dangers of wolves.

I would imagine that if folks knew of the many other human/wolf encounters that didn't reflect well for the wolves, there would be more of a push for management, something your friends at WDFW and CNW are not in favor of.

Hey I’d never downplay the danger of wolves. I also don’t need some gov’t agency to tell me they’re potentially dangerous either. I’m smart enough to know better and not use it as some card in a game you seem to like to play in an attempt to insult people. Keep digging...

[wolfbait]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

Well, that's what usually happens when the government has to spend thousands of dollars to go rescue someone out of the wilderness. Personally, I don't care who she is as long as we can get to the bottom of the story. That's where the rub is. Without knowing who she is, we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the responsible department and exactly what they were doing there and why they whisked her away before the local authorities had a chance to question her for information which could be used to keep locals safe. It certainly wasn't a salmon count and it was handled oddly.

The department responsible for what?

Here's the thing. Wolves are wild animals. They could be dangerous to people. So could bears. So could lions. So could raccoons. People shouldn't need to be told that. If you do, you might consider taking up a new hobby.

Typical load of BS.

Not quite right there jack, I have run into several folks from different parts of the country who seem to think wolves  don't attack people, they are shy timid creatures etc.. So you say the people shouldn't need to be told that there have been several human/wolf attacks. I bet WDFW are cheering you on right now, because they sure as hell haven't been honest with the public in that department either.


Why doesn't the USFWS, WDFW report to the public about the wolf attacks where the wolf was shot, investigated and proven to be legit? Or even the reports of wolves following/stalking people in the Okanogan? They wouldn't be trying to hide the many wolf/human conflicts would they? Maybe keep the same BS stories they have told about the wolves being shy creatures in the forefront?

We wouldn't be hearing about this story if it hadn't involved the sheriff office or DNR, it would be like all the others, hidden from the public.

How long would it have taken to get a wolf pack confirmed if there wouldn't have been a 911 call of a wolf pack hanging out at a school buss stop? People had lost stock to the wolves, reported wolves in several different areas, and WDFW ignore all of them, except they couldn't get around the 911 call.

Carry on jack, you'r doing just dandy....

Don’t ever go into the woods alone, man. There’s no telling what wild animal could attack with no warning. Before you know it you’ll be up a tree.

That's pretty good jack, down play the dangers of wolves.

I would imagine that if folks knew of the many other human/wolf encounters that didn't reflect well for the wolves, there would be more of a push for management, something your friends at WDFW and CNW are not in favor of.

Hey I’d never downplay the danger of wolves. I also don’t need some gov’t agency to tell me they’re potentially dangerous either. I’m smart enough to know better and not use it as some card in a game you seem to like to play in an attempt to insult people. Keep digging...

I didn't think we were talking about you, this is about other people who believe WDFW etc. when they read that wolves are timid etc..

I have talk to quite a few who didn't think wolves would attack a person, and with WDFW etc. refusing to report wolf/human attacks it is not good for the people who are naive.

Much of the internet has been scrub of the wolf attack info. we had ten years ago, and there was quite a bit of it.

For you to say that people shouldn't be warned about wolves, knowing what we know and having had bad wolf/people situations happen in WA, seems very irresponsible.

[jackelope]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

Well, that's what usually happens when the government has to spend thousands of dollars to go rescue someone out of the wilderness. Personally, I don't care who she is as long as we can get to the bottom of the story. That's where the rub is. Without knowing who she is, we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the responsible department and exactly what they were doing there and why they whisked her away before the local authorities had a chance to question her for information which could be used to keep locals safe. It certainly wasn't a salmon count and it was handled oddly.

The department responsible for what?

Here's the thing. Wolves are wild animals. They could be dangerous to people. So could bears. So could lions. So could raccoons. People shouldn't need to be told that. If you do, you might consider taking up a new hobby.

Typical load of BS.

Not quite right there jack, I have run into several folks from different parts of the country who seem to think wolves  don't attack people, they are shy timid creatures etc.. So you say the people shouldn't need to be told that there have been several human/wolf attacks. I bet WDFW are cheering you on right now, because they sure as hell haven't been honest with the public in that department either.


Why doesn't the USFWS, WDFW report to the public about the wolf attacks where the wolf was shot, investigated and proven to be legit? Or even the reports of wolves following/stalking people in the Okanogan? They wouldn't be trying to hide the many wolf/human conflicts would they? Maybe keep the same BS stories they have told about the wolves being shy creatures in the forefront?

We wouldn't be hearing about this story if it hadn't involved the sheriff office or DNR, it would be like all the others, hidden from the public.

How long would it have taken to get a wolf pack confirmed if there wouldn't have been a 911 call of a wolf pack hanging out at a school buss stop? People had lost stock to the wolves, reported wolves in several different areas, and WDFW ignore all of them, except they couldn't get around the 911 call.

Carry on jack, you'r doing just dandy....

Don’t ever go into the woods alone, man. There’s no telling what wild animal could attack with no warning. Before you know it you’ll be up a tree.

That's pretty good jack, down play the dangers of wolves.

I would imagine that if folks knew of the many other human/wolf encounters that didn't reflect well for the wolves, there would be more of a push for management, something your friends at WDFW and CNW are not in favor of.

Hey I’d never downplay the danger of wolves. I also don’t need some gov’t agency to tell me they’re potentially dangerous either. I’m smart enough to know better and not use it as some card in a game you seem to like to play in an attempt to insult people. Keep digging...

I didn't think we were talking about you, this is about other people who believe WDFW etc. when they read that wolves are timid etc..

I have talk to quite a few who didn't think wolves would attack a person, and with WDFW etc. refusing to report wolf/human attacks it is not good for the people who are naive.

Much of the internet has been scrub of the wolf attack info. we had ten years ago, and there was quite a bit of it.

For you to say that people shouldn't be warned about wolves, knowing what we know and having had bad wolf/people situations happen in WA, seems very irresponsible.

I didn’t say they shouldn’t be warned. I said they shouldn’t have to be warned.

“Hey don’t point that loaded gun at your face”

Get it?

[Knocker of rocks]

No detectives are running for Okanogan County Sheriff. All of their info is public record.

Too bad, so sad.  You are wrong.

If you had looked at this public information, you would not have made this mistake.

Better luck next time.

Source:
1) Methow Valley News,  http://methowvalleynews.com/2018/07/12/six-candidates-vie-to-become-next-okanogan-county-sheriff/
2) This thread, quote from Steve Mclaughlan's website

[wolfbait]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

Well, that's what usually happens when the government has to spend thousands of dollars to go rescue someone out of the wilderness. Personally, I don't care who she is as long as we can get to the bottom of the story. That's where the rub is. Without knowing who she is, we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the responsible department and exactly what they were doing there and why they whisked her away before the local authorities had a chance to question her for information which could be used to keep locals safe. It certainly wasn't a salmon count and it was handled oddly.

The department responsible for what?

Here's the thing. Wolves are wild animals. They could be dangerous to people. So could bears. So could lions. So could raccoons. People shouldn't need to be told that. If you do, you might consider taking up a new hobby.

Typical load of BS.

Not quite right there jack, I have run into several folks from different parts of the country who seem to think wolves  don't attack people, they are shy timid creatures etc.. So you say the people shouldn't need to be told that there have been several human/wolf attacks. I bet WDFW are cheering you on right now, because they sure as hell haven't been honest with the public in that department either.


Why doesn't the USFWS, WDFW report to the public about the wolf attacks where the wolf was shot, investigated and proven to be legit? Or even the reports of wolves following/stalking people in the Okanogan? They wouldn't be trying to hide the many wolf/human conflicts would they? Maybe keep the same BS stories they have told about the wolves being shy creatures in the forefront?

We wouldn't be hearing about this story if it hadn't involved the sheriff office or DNR, it would be like all the others, hidden from the public.

How long would it have taken to get a wolf pack confirmed if there wouldn't have been a 911 call of a wolf pack hanging out at a school buss stop? People had lost stock to the wolves, reported wolves in several different areas, and WDFW ignore all of them, except they couldn't get around the 911 call.

Carry on jack, you'r doing just dandy....

Don’t ever go into the woods alone, man. There’s no telling what wild animal could attack with no warning. Before you know it you’ll be up a tree.

That's pretty good jack, down play the dangers of wolves.

I would imagine that if folks knew of the many other human/wolf encounters that didn't reflect well for the wolves, there would be more of a push for management, something your friends at WDFW and CNW are not in favor of.

Hey I’d never downplay the danger of wolves. I also don’t need some gov’t agency to tell me they’re potentially dangerous either. I’m smart enough to know better and not use it as some card in a game you seem to like to play in an attempt to insult people. Keep digging...

I didn't think we were talking about you, this is about other people who believe WDFW etc. when they read that wolves are timid etc..

I have talk to quite a few who didn't think wolves would attack a person, and with WDFW etc. refusing to report wolf/human attacks it is not good for the people who are naive.

Much of the internet has been scrub of the wolf attack info. we had ten years ago, and there was quite a bit of it.

For you to say that people shouldn't be warned about wolves, knowing what we know and having had bad wolf/people situations happen in WA, seems very irresponsible.

I didn’t say they shouldn’t be warned. I said they shouldn’t have to be warned.

“Hey don’t point that loaded gun at your face”

Get it?

And why shouldn't they have to be warned?  WDFW etc. have misrepresented wolf behavior, wolves aren't timid creatures unless they have been shot at frequently, like coyotes for example.

Quite sure most people would rather be warned then to have to shoot thirty feet up a tree to get away from WDFW's timid wolves. Or not have a gun and need one.

[Caseyd]

No detectives are running for Okanogan County Sheriff. All of their info is public record.

Too bad, so sad.  You are wrong.

If you had looked at this public information, you would not have made this mistake.

Better luck next time.

Source:
1) Methow Valley News,  http://methowvalleynews.com/2018/07/12/six-candidates-vie-to-become-next-okanogan-county-sheriff/
2) This thread, quote from Steve Mclaughlan's website

I’m going to assume deerharvester was trying to be technical since Brown is currently a commander. Deerharvester what’s your rank? And which one of your Co workers will you be voting for? I think there’s several qualified candidates running and should be an interesting race.

[Oh Mah]

Im sure I’ll never draw a tag again. Lol

I posed the question on their Facebook open forum discussing their 30 million dollar debt.   I wanted to know how much is spent on wolf recovery every year.   Several others seconded the question.   They refused to answer.  @kirkl  and I will probably be in the loser lounge forever.

  Why would you think you will never get drawn again?

He's being sarcastic

OH  i see now.The thread has lightened up(which is better than where it was going) 

[Special T]

Lets focus on the discrepancies  that are plausible, known and provable.

Bigtex stated that the usfs wouldn't be doing salmon survey work, NOAA would.  One of the rescue crew in the chopper said there was a  directional antenna.  The lady is said to work for USFS from Utah, and the WDFW tried to cancel the help rescue.



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[DeerHarvester]

Steve brown is the Chief Criminal Deputy of the sheriffs office. You are quoting his past work experience.


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[bearpaw]

This is something I got through email, there are some interesting comments in there!
From the facebook page of Steve McLoughlin (appears he is running for public lands commissioner):

https://www.facebook.com/SteveMcLaughlin4lands/posts/1872262686145222

Steve McLaughlin- Protecting the Public Trust
July 13 at 6:58 PM ·
OKANOGAN WOLF INCIDENT UPDATE

On July 12, a forest service worker conducting a watershed study was surrounded and was forced to evade a wolfpack by climbing a tree.

Update:
1. A WA Department of Natural Resources Helicopter was dispatched to the scene by the NE Washington Inter-Agency Communications Center in Colville.

2. WDFW told the helicopter crew to stand down. In the interest of public safety, the crew continued on their mission and effected the rescue of the FS employee. Upon arrival at the scene, the flight crew spotted several wolves surrounded the tree where the FS employee was taking refuge. OKANOGAN COUNTY DEPUTIES WERE NOT PRESENT DURING THE RESCUE.

3. Lethal removal of wolves was authorized by the Okanogan County Sheriff's Incident Commander. This call was supported by Sheriff Rogers. NO WOLVES WERE KILLED.

4. Okanogan County Chief Criminal Deputy Steve Brown launched an investigation to determine if wolves in the area of Tiffany Springs could pose a threat to the public.

5. On 13 July, Deputy Brown and a team of investigators drove to the scene and began to proceed to the scene of the incident. Enroute to the incident, the investigation team encountered USFWS Biologist, Gregg Kurz and WDFW wolf specialist, Benjamin Maletzke. A conversation ensued. When asked, KURZ told Deputy Brown that the girl would not provide her name for security reasons. Deputies are still trying to get her name for investigative purposes and I will not provide her name for her own safety. KURZ also said the employee did not flee, but instead deployed repellent. KURZ said the employee was ineffective, so she climbed a tree to evade the threat. KURZ also informed Deputy Brown that the scene of the incident was actually a wolf rendezvous site.

6. KURZ also informed Deputy Brown that if he proceeded to the site, he would be charged with interfering with a federally protected species. Deputy Brown told KURZ that he faced arrest for impeding an active investigation. Deputy Brown and team proceeded about 1 mile to the incident scene.

7. While enroute to the scene, deputies located game cameras and a well cut trail to the site. During the conversation w/ KURZ, deputies were informed that the route to the incident was quite a distance away and there was significant deadfall along the route, contrary to what deputies found.

OPINIONS:
1. Many thanks to my friend Commissioner Franz for the use of the helicopter and aircrew as well as affecting the rescue!

2. WDFW showed incredibly poor judgment in calling on the helicopter crew to stand down when human life was threatened. the flight crew deserves a reward for their actions

3. OKSO deputies were correct in their decision to exercise lethal control if it was necessary as this was a rescue situation from threatening wolves. I encourage those reading this to see my previous post on the stages of habituation to human activity. The Sheriff's office had the authority to act, the duty to act, and they were correct in their decisions.

5. KURZ and MALETZKE impeded an official investigation and lied during questioning to a deputy (Chief Criminal Deputy Brown) by not providing the name of the FS employee, by failing to provide information about wolf presence during the rescue, by lying to Deputy Brown about the distance to the scene and the condition of the route.

COMMENTS:

1. WDFW MUST stop the lying and withholding of information to the public about wolf presence. WDFW is creating A PUBLIC RELATIONS NIGHTMARE FOR WDFW and USFWS. In the wolf management plan, the WDFW will partner with ranchers and the public to minimize wolf/human/livestock conflict. Clearly the partnership is broken because the department is not acting in good faith. Each partner should act in a manner that contributes the the success of the other partner!.

2. My comment stands about the need to remove the WDFW conflict specialist for failing to act and for calling the FS employee "Stupid!"

I'm certain there is more to follow. We'll see how truthful WDFW really is.....or isn't!

https://www.facebook.com/SteveMcLaughlin4lands/posts/1879607178744106

Steve McLaughlin- Protecting the Public Trust
Yesterday at 12:04 PM ·
Wolf rescue incident #3:DISTURBING ISSUES REMAIN AFTER THE TIFFANY SPRINGS WOLF INCIDENT – USFS, USFWS AND WDFW – IT’S TIME TO COME OUT INTO THE LIGHT OF DAY!

On 12 July, a young USFS (According to a Capital Press article released today, we don’t really even know who she’s working for) employee was rescued by a Washington Department of Natural Resources Flight Crew. I spent time yesterday reviewing the dispatch tapes from the incident and I would personally like to commend Jill at NEWICC, the Okanogan County 911 Dispatcher, and the DNR flight crew! Their decision to go ahead with the rescue in spite of pushback from the wildlife agencies resulted in a speedy rescue. As we used to say in the Navy for a job well done, BRAVO ZULU!

But, the tapes reveal some interesting questions about the wildlife agencies and the Forest Service! New facts are emerging and these take up from where I left off in my previous postings.

FACTS:
1. During the 6 taped dialogs between the Okanogan Dispatcher and NEWICC (Jill), there was a specific time when Jill told the Okanogan Dispatcher that WDFW said the incident was a “Wildlife issue and not a Search and Rescue (SAR).
2. A joint statement by WDFW and USFWS public information officers (PIO’s) indicated that human life takes precedence over wildlife.
3. Outside stories said the USFS employee was conducting a salmon study in the area. According to sources, there are no salmon in that area
4. According to comments made during the rescue, the USFS employee was seen in the tree holding some telemetry equipment.
5. In a County Commissioners deposition, the Okanogan Sheriffs Office told the rescued employee to stay at Omak airport until the deputies arrived in order to interview her.
6. Before the deputies arrived at the airport, a USFS vehicle arrived at Omak airport and took the employee away. She has not been seen or heard from since the incident
7. The Tonasket Ranger District has not deployed any USFS employees to the field since this incident occurred.
8. WDFW and/or USFWS trappers are operating in the area of the Loup loup wolfpack.

Opinions:
1. WDFW DID try to shut down the DNR and OCSO rescue operation so they could affect the rescue. In the dispatch tapes, NEWICC (Jill) clearly states she was told this was a wildlife issue and not a SAR. This action runs contrary to what the joint WDFW/USFWS PIO statement suggests. What are these agencies hiding? Was this order given by WDFW Officer Troutman?
2. WDFW in cooperation with the USFWS and likely with the University of Washington are conducting an ungulate study throughout known wolf populated areas in Washington. In earlier field research I am conducting in other counties, I was told that a significant portion of the UW work may be occurring in the Northern Cascade ecosystem (the rescue scene is in the NC ecosystem). Is this what the employee was really doing? Where are the salmon streams in the Tiffany Springs area? The actions and activities of the WDFW, USFWS and USFS in this area requires more investigation and these agencies should come into the light of day.
3. The USFS for some reason did not want the rescued employee to speak with deputies. However, the deputies investigating the rescue told the employee to stay at the airport so they could interview her. By her leaving, she and those who took her away from the airport could face criminal charges for impeding an official investigation. Why did the USFS not allow the rescued person to speak with deputies?
4. There are only two reasons why the Tonasket Ranger District would be keeping employees close to home; the first and preferred reason would be in order to conduct a safety stand down and revise work protocols in areas where there are known apex predators. However, given the past conduct of the USFS District Ranger over his career, it seems more likely the employees are being directed on what to say about the rescue situation and about the operations surrounding studies in the Tiffany Springs and other areas of the county.
5. It should be reiterated that the sheriff has full authority over ALL law activities in his/her county over all other agencies. While many sheriff’s choose to cooperate with state and federal agencies, the sheriff has the right and duty to act when these agencies get out of hand.

Comments:
1. So, the plot thickens! What is really going on in the region near the rescue site? Salmon? I doubt it.
2. Back in the 1980’s a U.S. Navy ship came across a load of Vietnamese boat people who were in poor health and in bad condition on the high seas. The ship’s commanding officer ordered his crew to give the people water and food, but to not embark them onboard as the ship was on a timeline to make it to an exercise. The commanding officer was relieved of his duties for his failing to rescue those in peril. FOR AN OFFICER OF ANY LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCY TO STATE THE ISSUE WAS A WILDLIFE ISSUE and NOT a SAR ISSUE IS BEHAVING IN THE SAME MANNER as the ship’s commanding officer. Yet WDFW, USFS and USFWS is covering up something the public has the right to know and the need to know about in the interest of public safety!
3. For too long, these agencies have gotten away with shell games, lies, moving the goalposts and treating American citizens with disdain. ITS TIME TO CLEAN IT UP!

[jackelope]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

Well, that's what usually happens when the government has to spend thousands of dollars to go rescue someone out of the wilderness. Personally, I don't care who she is as long as we can get to the bottom of the story. That's where the rub is. Without knowing who she is, we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the responsible department and exactly what they were doing there and why they whisked her away before the local authorities had a chance to question her for information which could be used to keep locals safe. It certainly wasn't a salmon count and it was handled oddly.

The department responsible for what?

Here's the thing. Wolves are wild animals. They could be dangerous to people. So could bears. So could lions. So could raccoons. People shouldn't need to be told that. If you do, you might consider taking up a new hobby.

Typical load of BS.

Not quite right there jack, I have run into several folks from different parts of the country who seem to think wolves  don't attack people, they are shy timid creatures etc.. So you say the people shouldn't need to be told that there have been several human/wolf attacks. I bet WDFW are cheering you on right now, because they sure as hell haven't been honest with the public in that department either.


Why doesn't the USFWS, WDFW report to the public about the wolf attacks where the wolf was shot, investigated and proven to be legit? Or even the reports of wolves following/stalking people in the Okanogan? They wouldn't be trying to hide the many wolf/human conflicts would they? Maybe keep the same BS stories they have told about the wolves being shy creatures in the forefront?

We wouldn't be hearing about this story if it hadn't involved the sheriff office or DNR, it would be like all the others, hidden from the public.

How long would it have taken to get a wolf pack confirmed if there wouldn't have been a 911 call of a wolf pack hanging out at a school buss stop? People had lost stock to the wolves, reported wolves in several different areas, and WDFW ignore all of them, except they couldn't get around the 911 call.

Carry on jack, you'r doing just dandy....

Don’t ever go into the woods alone, man. There’s no telling what wild animal could attack with no warning. Before you know it you’ll be up a tree.

That's pretty good jack, down play the dangers of wolves.

I would imagine that if folks knew of the many other human/wolf encounters that didn't reflect well for the wolves, there would be more of a push for management, something your friends at WDFW and CNW are not in favor of.

Hey I’d never downplay the danger of wolves. I also don’t need some gov’t agency to tell me they’re potentially dangerous either. I’m smart enough to know better and not use it as some card in a game you seem to like to play in an attempt to insult people. Keep digging...

I didn't think we were talking about you, this is about other people who believe WDFW etc. when they read that wolves are timid etc..

I have talk to quite a few who didn't think wolves would attack a person, and with WDFW etc. refusing to report wolf/human attacks it is not good for the people who are naive.

Much of the internet has been scrub of the wolf attack info. we had ten years ago, and there was quite a bit of it.

For you to say that people shouldn't be warned about wolves, knowing what we know and having had bad wolf/people situations happen in WA, seems very irresponsible.

I didn’t say they shouldn’t be warned. I said they shouldn’t have to be warned.

“Hey don’t point that loaded gun at your face”

Get it?

And why shouldn't they have to be warned?  WDFW etc. have misrepresented wolf behavior, wolves aren't timid creatures unless they have been shot at frequently, like coyotes for example.

Quite sure most people would rather be warned then to have to shoot thirty feet up a tree to get away from WDFW's timid wolves. Or not have a gun and need one.

You sound like some hippy from Seattle living in a nanny state where people have to tell you to tie your shoes so you don’t trip over your own shoe laces. If they don’t tell you, then you feel like it’s not your fault and you’ll want to blame/sue someone for not telling you to be careful of yourself.  I know you’re smarter than that.
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[jackelope]

Wolfbait, is there an article or a news release you can source where WDFW ever said that wolves are timid and don’t pose a potential danger to humans? They’re cute and cuddly like little  golden labradoodles? Please provide this source if it exists.

[MtnMuley]

Deerharvester...........why do you even huntwa anymore....