Wolves tree DNR worker in Okanogan county

[Special T]

Isnt it obvious.   Outdoor woman are hot, and anyone that can climb 30 feet into a tree has to be athletic.  THey just want to contact her to see if she shaves her pits or not.

Lol

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[gaddy]

I don't care who she is, or what she was doing. The fact is that she was in a tree with threatening wolves below, witnessed by the helicopter crew. The wolves were clearly a threat to human life and need to be taken out. The issues with the different agencies involved and who did what need to be dealt with for sure, but as to the who was in the tree and what they were doing makes no difference to me. Wolves were after a person and they need to be put down. They have tracking info on a collared wolf indicating the pack involved, go get them.

[bigtex]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

[trophyhunt]

I don't care who she is, or what she was doing. The fact is that she was in a tree with threatening wolves below, witnessed by the helicopter crew. The wolves were clearly a threat to human life and need to be taken out. The issues with the different agencies involved and who did what need to be dealt with for sure, but as to the who was in the tree and what they were doing makes no difference to me. Wolves were after a person and they need to be put down. They have tracking info on a collared wolf indicating the pack involved, go get them.

  1,000% agree!!  Wth are they doing about those piticular wolves???   Sounds like someone needs to go hiking in that area w an AR, they wolves are sure to do the same thing again!

[pianoman9701]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

Well, that's what usually happens when the government has to spend thousands of dollars to go rescue someone out of the wilderness. Personally, I don't care who she is as long as we can get to the bottom of the story. That's where the rub is. Without knowing who she is, we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the responsible department and exactly what they were doing there and why they whisked her away before the local authorities had a chance to question her for information which could be used to keep locals safe. It certainly wasn't a salmon count and it was handled oddly.

[bobcat]

I don't think these particular wolves are any different than other wolves. I bet in the same scenario, just a different location and different wolves, the same thing would've happened. So if these wolves need to be killed because of what they did, then all wolves need to be killed. Kind of like, in my opinion, ALL wolves will kill livestock if given the opportunity.

[trophyhunt]

I’m ok with killing them all.

[boneaddict]

Ill spice this up a bit.  Utah passed a law making it ok to relocate wolves out of state, listing USFWS as a funding source for this activity.    Coincidence this gal is from Utah?

[Curly]

hmmmm........

 

Very interesting.

[Special T]

Ill spice this up a bit.  Utah passed a law making it ok to relocate wolves out of state, listing USFWS as a funding source for this activity.    Coincidence this gal is from Utah?

Wow.... and everyone was saying I wear a tinfoil hat for just asking some questions because there was no explanation, no good reasoning, and a lack of trust....

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[KFhunter]

I don't think these particular wolves are any different than other wolves. I bet in the same scenario, just a different location and different wolves, the same thing would've happened. So if these wolves need to be killed because of what they did, then all wolves need to be killed. Kind of like, in my opinion, ALL wolves will kill livestock if given the opportunity.

Already documented, several different people have been tree'd or shot at wolves in self defense.



So yes, shoot on sight is a good idea and as horrible as that sounds to a wolf conservationist it wouldn't hurt the overall population much, and in some areas it wouldn't hurt the population at all.

[grade-creek-rd]

For those on here thinking this is "fake news"....apparently you are forgetting Hirshey's post from a few years ago when she encountered a wolf pack that decided to follow her (the only difference in this case vs Hirshey's is that Hirshey is probably a bit more savvy when it comes to predators in the mountains...thank goodness!).


Re: Report Washington Wolf Sightings Here - Estimated at 101+

« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2011, 11:37:24 PM »


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Really frightening encounter South of Rennie Peak... I overnighted Sunday and was on a solo trip into the Lake Chelan Rec Area...glassed all day in anticipation of the high hunt opener on Thursday and found no deer... at 1 PM I spotted a dead head 4x5 in the bottom of the draw.... found nothing else to look at so finally at about 4 PM I decided to go check it out... had a pretty good rock and a clump of red grass to use as reference when I got down there. I got down in elevation and through the trees... there was my rock and clump of grass, but where was the dead head? I walked around the rock to find a den  ... there was old decaying hide outside it (I never did get to see the dead head up close) and I started to back away when I was startled to see a pair of VERY unhappy wolves about 40 yards from me. Very tense times! After much todo, I got back up the ridge realizing I left my spotting scope up top and that nobody would believe me without photos so I went back to get it and took a few quick photos through the spotting scope as they checked their den I will post later. The wolves (I only always saw 2 at one time but at one point there was one above me and 20 seconds later 2 below me) escorted me about a mile out of the area. I hiked 7+ grueling and tiring miles out this evening partially in need of my headlamp. Heads up to anyone planning on hunting that area for the high hunt... I'd suggest finding another place due to a low deer-to-wolf ratio.  I'll be talking to the bios tomorrow about this encounter... none of the wolves were collared, so follow-up to come.


« Last Edit: September 13, 2011, 01:19:54 AM by hirshey »

[Knocker of rocks]

I don’t think anybody thinks this is fake news. What is questioned is some aspects of the county investigation and some of the tin-foil “what were they doing up there?”.   But level headed inquiries by the media and politicians about what was said after the helicopter was requested is certainly warranted and welcomed.

[bigtex]

Ill spice this up a bit.  Utah passed a law making it ok to relocate wolves out of state, listing USFWS as a funding source for this activity.    Coincidence this gal is from Utah?

It is very difficult to get hired into a desirable job by the feds in your home state. It can take some people 30 years to move "home". Heck, for a long time there were a sizable portion of WDFW Officers who grew up outside of WA. Where she's from has no bearing on this matter.

[bigtex]

I'd wonder if all the people wanting to know who she was and who she worked for would post in this thread their name, their job and the location where they live. Especially any of those who work for the government.

This is not really a pertinent analogy though. She's a public employee as well as being involved in a rescue operation which was reported by the news and investigated by the county sheriff. I don't see any parallel between her situation and someone taking part in an online forum. 

Just because you are part of a rescue operation doesn't mean your name needs to be plastered everywhere. As for the sheriff's "investigation" it's political and not legally based. There's no law that says the sheriff (or any LE agency) has to investigate what happened. The sheriff is simply going on along the "public safety" route, well there's no law that says you have to ID yourself when an agency is investigating something for "public safety" reasons.

Heck, I'm sure she probably got cut up and may have some psychological issues from this, hello HIPPA protection.

Well, that's what usually happens when the government has to spend thousands of dollars to go rescue someone out of the wilderness. Personally, I don't care who she is as long as we can get to the bottom of the story. That's where the rub is. Without knowing who she is, we're going to have a hard time pinpointing the responsible department and exactly what they were doing there and why they whisked her away before the local authorities had a chance to question her for information which could be used to keep locals safe. It certainly wasn't a salmon count and it was handled oddly.

We know enough. She was a USFS employee doing a stream survey which could be counting fish, prepping for a timber sale, etc. it really doesn't matter. If you got chased up a tree would there be a difference in any way if you were a) out hiking or b) out scouting? No of course not, all that matters is you had a confrontation with wolves.

And again, she doesn't have to speak to the local authorities, no crime was committed, and even if there were a crime this is the US, you don't have to speak to LE if you don't want to. It's amazing how many people on here say "never talk to the cops" but yet are bashing her for doing exactly that, I must have forgotten there was a wolf exception to that 'rule'.

All they need to know is she got chased up the tree by wolves. The helicopter pilot even saw the wolves, they could tell you how many there were if they really wanted to know.