Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[Oh Mah]

Sorry but exactly how do you lnow that others did not know?Just because they are not talking about it piblically doesn;t mean they don't know about it.As for the foundation and the WDFW it's none of their business to know or talk about it.It is only up to the courts to rule on what is going on as per the tribes.The state and fed. gov. has authority here whether they admit it or not,They can and should come in and have these talks get it on the ballots and go from there.  SCOTUS NEEDS TO  RULE ON THESE ISSUES.....................AGAIN AS THEY HAVE ON OTHER ISSUES OF LATE.

[trophyhunt]

Plat said they didn’t know, and I trust his word. 

[grundy53]

Sorry but exactly how do you lnow that others did not know?Just because they are not talking about it piblically doesn;t mean they don't know about it.As for the foundation and the WDFW it's none of their business to know or talk about it.It is only up to the courts to rule on what is going on as per the tribes.The state and fed. gov. has authority here whether they admit it or not,They can and should come in and have these talks get it on the ballots and go from there.  SCOTUS NEEDS TO  RULE ON THESE ISSUES.....................AGAIN AS THEY HAVE ON OTHER ISSUES OF LATE.

What are you talking about. WDFW definitely needs to know. So they can manage that sheep herd accordingly. Whether that means shutting that unit down to the auction tag holder or reducing the amount of tags given out in the draw.

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[Oh Mah]

Sorry but exactly how do you lnow that others did not know?Just because they are not talking about it piblically doesn;t mean they don't know about it.As for the foundation and the WDFW it's none of their business to know or talk about it.It is only up to the courts to rule on what is going on as per the tribes.The state and fed. gov. has authority here whether they admit it or not,They can and should come in and have these talks get it on the ballots and go from there.  SCOTUS NEEDS TO  RULE ON THESE ISSUES.....................AGAIN AS THEY HAVE ON OTHER ISSUES OF LATE.

What are you talking about. WDFW definitely needs to know. So they can manage that sheep herd accordingly. Whether that means shutting that unit down to the auction tag holder or reducing the amount of tags given out in the draw.

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And they probably did know.

How is it that farmin4u knew but a gov. agency as large as WDFW did not?

[cem3434]

Plat said they didn’t know, and I trust his word.

  no reason to distrust Plat as he has always seemed like a straight shooter to me.

Why wouldn't it be their responsibility to know or discuss it? WDFW supposedly manages game and WSF is a conservation focused on the health and expansion of wild sheep populations throughout the west, so yeah it is kind of their place to know and discuss issues like this.

[Oh Mah]

as i said while you were typing they knew i'm sure of it but like you i cant prove they knew or did not know but farming4u knew so they knew im certain.Yes they need to be in talks with the tribe about it but who says they have to let us know publicly that they did have talks.They can;t stop the tribe they can only manage our end,Cutting our tags.

[Oh Mah]

we will see these tags taken out next year and that's when WDFW will tell why. 

[trophyhunt]

There will be no tags for the swakane Sheep next year, I think that is obvious. 

[MADMAX]

Yup

[PlateauNDN]

So the argument now is the small group of those that abuse the right, take advantage of the right and exploit the right and you choose to take it out on the rest of us that follow the laws, follow the rights and dont cause the pain and anguish that the small user group does to the whole group?

Sounds like the same argument that the left is pushing. Take the right because a small user group is ruining it for the rest.

  Your analogy is weak. Yes we enjoy our 2A rights. However it's not a free for all. There are still laws pertaining to it. I can't just go down to the gas station and buy a fully automatic rifle. Also, if I abuse my god given second ammendment rights they take them away. Do they take away the hunting rights of the few in your tribe who abuse them? Didn't think so. We want you to actually police your own.

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This is almost spot on,Add in the point that all of the Constitution is for all not just a group.Our Constitution made these unalienable rights equal for all citizens.HUGE DIFFERENCE!Without the Constitution these treaties would have never been made so quit trying to use it in an UNAMERICAN WAY.

Says you. The Constitution didnt apply to my people when the Treaties were negotiated and they didnt apply until long after. We weren't considered citizens until the mid-1920's.

You dont know nor understand the issues involving my size of the fence. Our people, not just Yakamas but all Tribes have been 2nd rate citizens living in 3rd world settings and now you just decide what I can or cannot do or say?

Yes, it s a choice. A very hard choice and most aren't able to succeed with the choices they made. Generation after generation grew up knowing the lifestyle of the previous generation while being raised by the family 2 generations back.

You think its UNAMERICAN the way I made a comparison? Why? The Constitution isn't the reason why we as Tribes have Treaties. If you noticed the Treaties said we'd remain Sovereign as separate nations on our reservations, not as Americans, but as tribes. We stay on the sh... hole dirt laden dump of land called Reservations we would be left alone to continue our lives, not as Americans.

We've been considered and allowed to be called American Citizens what 3 generations now and its expected that we drop our culture, traditions and way of life that we have lived by since before the Americans came out here and began their attempt to exterminate and/or assimilate us?

[Oh Mah]

just for you plat,If it wasn't for the Constitution and the rights and the laws that came with it the tribes would have been destroyed,Completely so yes if not for the Constitution the treaties would have never been.Your side?  I'm from the same side of this fence you speak of.The Bolt decision was also argued under the laws of the constitution so maybe you are the one that don't completely understand although most on here believe you do because you say you do. 

[PlateauNDN]

  the Constitution applied to Americans, we weren't Americans. We were savages, heathens, lower forms of life. The Treaties came along because the US Govt was tired of fighting and it was either eradicate us or negotiate the Treaties so we could move off the millions of acres of land we had and move to dirt scrap land called reservations.

They wanted the land and they wanted it now. Our Treaties are what made us Sovereign Nations. We weren't Americans.

It was negotiate Treaties or death. I ve read the Treaty minutes and anything I could find pertaining to that period in time and in the its stated to the Chiefs that either their blood or their Mark's would be on the paper.

So again, tell me how it was the Constitution that gave us the Treaties?

[Oh Mah]

keep trying to spin that bull,The Constitution specifically said All men were created equal so wrong again plat.The Constitution is and always has been more than a piece of paper,It was the way of America to be.It meant that we were to have morals,character and most of all compassion for fellow man.That included the natives and all others from all other lands.Soldiers broke laws when they invaded tribal communities some were even hung for doing so.So i will repeat what i said again,Without the Constitution and what it stood for the natives would have been completely wiped out.It is what kept the soldiers from being able to eradicate the tribes.The Constitution did not protect the tribal land any more than non tribal from gov. remember R.R co. were able to kill,steel do whatever it took to get the land they wanted no matter the color of the land owner. So plat wrong again.You're not very good with history for someone trying to teach it to others.

[Romulus1297]

Why would our neighbor who could register as a native not register?  He could get more work as a native but won't do it and won't hunt. He is to busy to worry about it. I've tried.

[PlateauNDN]

Who said I'm trying to teach history? I'm giving my view and opinions as they've been and continue to be viewed by those that are tribal members.

The Constitution provided protection and kept us from being exterminated? Really? And i suppose everything that happened after was just for our own good and protection?

As I can recall through many textbooks many US soldiers were awarded the M.O.H. for their atrocities, war crimes committed against Tribal Members. I suppose the Indian Removal policy which led to the Trail of Tears was for our own good and we were protected right?
I recall many soldiers were celebrated and awarded this nations highest honor for that or how about the Massacre of Wounded Knee?

I recall awards being handed out left and right and I dont recall them being protected and those committing the atrocity being punished?

You keep your opinions and I'll keep mine. My views and opinions have always been mine and if you believe the Constitution was adaopted for us then I assume the text calling us merciless savages was for our protection as well.

Oh well, we could go back and forth all day, but in the end you know what you know and I know what I know and nothing's going to change that so why keep up the banter and take this thread even further into a rabbit hole.

Best of luck to all those this upcoming season.