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Quote from: idahohuntr on August 30, 2018, 04:34:06 PMQuote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on August 30, 2018, 04:30:17 PMJesus there wasn't this much controversy over the state killing the entire Tieton herd. I hope the people so terrified of 2 tribal tags are actively fighting domestic sheep grazing on public lands near bighorn habitat...there's a real threat.Nobody has answered Bakers question, and it was the best question posed to everyone offering their The WDFW biologist set the tag number of 2 based on current data, and WITHOUT knowledge that another user group would be taking Rams out of this unit. So that means that a biologist with access to more info than all of us here, thought 2 rams was what the herd could lose and still allow for growth and continued health. If he thought more could be harvested he would have set the tag number at a higher amount. Since he did not raise the tag numbers, it is not that big of a leap to assume he felt a harvest of 2 rams would meet the wildlife plan for this herd.So, do I agree that a single year taking 4 to 5 rams is going to hurt the herd. No, it probably won't. But, I sure as hell am way less qualified to make that call, and so is everyone else in this chat room, than a wildlife bio who's job is to manage this species.
Quote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on August 30, 2018, 04:30:17 PMJesus there wasn't this much controversy over the state killing the entire Tieton herd. I hope the people so terrified of 2 tribal tags are actively fighting domestic sheep grazing on public lands near bighorn habitat...there's a real threat.
Jesus there wasn't this much controversy over the state killing the entire Tieton herd.
Quote from: meatwhack on August 30, 2018, 04:23:24 PMBy looking at the herd count numbers provided the ram population has only marginally increased over the last 20 years so I’m guessing doubling the harvest will not be sustainable.You are not reading the table correctly. The composition data is not a total estimate of rams.
By looking at the herd count numbers provided the ram population has only marginally increased over the last 20 years so I’m guessing doubling the harvest will not be sustainable.
WOW,All the complaining about wdfw band the state experts they listen too through the years and then boom just like that the tribes do this then all of a sudden the experts that do so good for our hunting opportunities in this state are the shining experts and deserve this much praise. Does WDFW and their experts do what you want for conservation or not. If they are then quit complaining about them,and if not quit praising them on this.
The question was answered...the status report clearly acknowledges harvest is set conservatively to maintain non consumptive viewing opportunities. WDFW was intentionally not maximizing sustainable harvest...so any inference that 3 tags was a max safe harvest level is incorrect.
Quote from: Oh Mah on August 30, 2018, 04:53:22 PMWOW,All the complaining about wdfw band the state experts they listen too through the years and then boom just like that the tribes do this then all of a sudden the experts that do so good for our hunting opportunities in this state are the shining experts and deserve this much praise. Does WDFW and their experts do what you want for conservation or not. If they are then quit complaining about them,and if not quit praising them on this. It isn't all about conservation. They manage the herd for hunting opportunities, viewing opportunities, etc. Tag limits are set accordingly.QuoteThe question was answered...the status report clearly acknowledges harvest is set conservatively to maintain non consumptive viewing opportunities. WDFW was intentionally not maximizing sustainable harvest...so any inference that 3 tags was a max safe harvest level is incorrect. Read your two sentences and try to find how they contradict one another. If you need help I am here.
Very interesting thread. I've learned a lot.As I was following along I began to wonder, If the the tribe can issue two ram tags why can't they start issuing wolf tags and/or hunt predators with dogs? There is probably a million reasons why this cant happen (or maybe they already do) but I am not educated on the subject. I have no idea if this is even possible but it would greatly contribute to conservation IMO.
Quote from: buggy on August 30, 2018, 05:23:41 PMVery interesting thread. I've learned a lot.As I was following along I began to wonder, If the the tribe can issue two ram tags why can't they start issuing wolf tags and/or hunt predators with dogs? There is probably a million reasons why this cant happen (or maybe they already do) but I am not educated on the subject. I have no idea if this is even possible but it would greatly contribute to conservation IMO.This has been brought up,they can and maybe they would..A LOT if we could all play nice.
Quote from: idahohuntr on August 30, 2018, 04:34:06 PMQuote from: Time Immemorial 1855 on August 30, 2018, 04:30:17 PMJesus there wasn't this much controversy over the state killing the entire Tieton herd. I hope the people so terrified of 2 tribal tags are actively fighting domestic sheep grazing on public lands near bighorn habitat...there's a real threat.idaho, which tribe do you hunt with anyway? And as far as domestic sheep go, the yakamas could definetly help us out with trying to get those domestic sheep out of the swakane area.
