Herrera vs Wyoming

[Kazekurt]

The challenge right now is trying to explain and via posts the intricacies of Tribes, the culture, the lifestyle and the meaning. I could give it a try but then I'd be writing a very lengthy short book and spending probably hours typing it.

It's a conversation best given in-person.

I here ya.  Some issues are too complex to discuss in writing.  Good luck on your hunts!  I'm sure we have far more in common than we have different.  I just want to see hunting be sustainable and I see some things that really worry me.  Between poor game management, poaching, fractures in the hunting community, loss of hunt able ground, rising hunting costs, and attacks on gun ownership; I fear we may be slowly dying. 

[KFhunter]

https://www.themeateater.com/conservation/policy-and-legislation/inside-the-elk-hunting-case-before-the-supreme-court?fbclid=IwAR0rYHqpMLfsYByALFCAbnRLy7RrZ1iydRU9LxX-EvOOWvSJ2voh_WbawSI


Herrera v. Wyoming: Inside the Elk Hunting Case Before the Supreme Court

On Jan. 8, a game warden for the Crow Tribe of southeastern Montana went before the United States Supreme Court. Clayvin Herrera was convicted by the State of Wyoming of killing a bull elk out of season, without a license in January 2014. Two of his companions, who also shot bulls after following the herd off the Crow Reservation across the state line into the Bighorn National Forest, both pleaded guilty to the same poaching charges and paid fines. Herrera however, has argued all the way to the highest court in the land that the 1868 Second Treaty of Fort Laramie guarantees his tribal “right to hunt on the unoccupied lands of the United States so long as game may be found thereon.”

more at the link


This could have huge implications at first glance but I haven't finished reading it or researching it yet. 

[KFhunter]

The waste is hard to stomach, Herrera is not a good dude, but that isn't the question before the supreme court. 

[Odell]

“Most people outside of Indian Country aren’t really aware of how tribes operate and wouldn’t have the slightest idea about treaty hunting and fishing,” Johnson said. “To be clear, the tribe sets seasons, bag limits, regulations and issues its own permits to tribal members. This includes setting permit numbers for rare game such as bighorn sheep, moose and mountain goats. The tribe communicates regularly with the state to ensure take is not negatively impacting the resource. We want to continue to hunt healthy populations of big game in perpetuity.”

That has not been the experience in WA. I believe there was a new sheep hunt this year in WA with no communication with WDFW and the quote was "why should we have to?"

[Odell]

Herrera insists that he did not mean to cross into Wyoming that day five years ago, but still it was his right to do so. Above all, he says, he was just trying to provide meat for his three daughters.

“That was a time when the tribe was in recession bad. And they cut our hours. They cut our pay,” Herrera testified on the witness stand. “I was cut down to like 32 hours a week. They cut me down to like $10 an hour. And growing kids, they eat more than me now, but the plan was to get an elk to eat it. Live off it.”

Which is why they found a fourth bull there left untouched? SMH.

[KFhunter]

Herrera insists that he did not mean to cross into Wyoming that day five years ago, but still it was his right to do so. Above all, he says, he was just trying to provide meat for his three daughters.

“That was a time when the tribe was in recession bad. And they cut our hours. They cut our pay,” Herrera testified on the witness stand. “I was cut down to like 32 hours a week. They cut me down to like $10 an hour. And growing kids, they eat more than me now, but the plan was to get an elk to eat it. Live off it.”

Which is why they found a fourth bull there left untouched? SMH.

and backstraps and a head removed but nothing else on another bull

[Tbar]

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,232948.msg3107655.html#msg3107655

[KFhunter]

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,232948.msg3107655.html#msg3107655

    thanks, I'll merge the two