WDFW Predator Lawsuit

[Jpmiller]

I think you can look at the dismal harvest numbers?

But that could be cause by a whole number of factors. I don't think that argument alone would hold up in court. I'd love to be able to look at predator prey studies and population surveys if they were out there and available to the public, especially if they support the cause of less predators but more ungulates.

[jasnt]

There is no study’s because they just estimate game numbers.  They can count those that migrate but they don’t do that every where.   

[bearpaw]

I'm not a bio and not writing the lawsuit, I'm trying to spread the word it's coming and gather hunter interest. When the suit is made public I think many questions will be answered.

[huntnphool]

There is no study’s because they just estimate game numbers.  They can count those that migrate but they don’t do that every where.

 Interesting you say that. In the paperwork for my daughters moose hunt was instructions to keep count of the number of different bulls, cows and calves seen during the hunt. Is this their study? Is this how they base their counts, by relying on hunters in the woods?

[jackelope]

There is no study’s because they just estimate game numbers.  They can count those that migrate but they don’t do that every where.

 Interesting you say that. In the paperwork for my daughters moose hunt was instructions to keep count of the number of different bulls, cows and calves seen during the hunt. Is this their study? Is this how they base their counts, by relying on hunters in the woods?

https://wdfw.wa.gov/viewing/moose/

If you spend time in undeveloped areas where moose may occur, your report can help inform moose management whether or not you see any moose. WDFW is most interested in reports from people spending time in natural areas in Okanogan, Ferry, Stevens, Pend Oreille, and Spokane counties between September 1 and November 30.

[bearpaw]

There is no study’s because they just estimate game numbers.  They can count those that migrate but they don’t do that every where.

 Interesting you say that. In the paperwork for my daughters moose hunt was instructions to keep count of the number of different bulls, cows and calves seen during the hunt. Is this their study? Is this how they base their counts, by relying on hunters in the woods?

I think so, I'm not aware of any moose counts. If I remember correctly they did a study in two areas to determine cause of mortality in moose, it is posted on here somewhere. One study area (southern 49 degrees) showed similar mortality from predators and ticks. One study area (mt spokane) did not show much predator mortality.

[bearpaw]

There is no study’s because they just estimate game numbers.  They can count those that migrate but they don’t do that every where.

 Interesting you say that. In the paperwork for my daughters moose hunt was instructions to keep count of the number of different bulls, cows and calves seen during the hunt. Is this their study? Is this how they base their counts, by relying on hunters in the woods?

https://wdfw.wa.gov/viewing/moose/

If you spend time in undeveloped areas where moose may occur, your report can help inform moose management whether or not you see any moose. WDFW is most interested in reports from people spending time in natural areas in Okanogan, Ferry, Stevens, Pend Oreille, and Spokane counties between September 1 and November 30.

It's too bad there isn't similar data from 2000 through 2015 before wolves started impacting moose!

[huntnphool]

There is no study’s because they just estimate game numbers.  They can count those that migrate but they don’t do that every where.

 Interesting you say that. In the paperwork for my daughters moose hunt was instructions to keep count of the number of different bulls, cows and calves seen during the hunt. Is this their study? Is this how they base their counts, by relying on hunters in the woods?

https://wdfw.wa.gov/viewing/moose/

If you spend time in undeveloped areas where moose may occur, your report can help inform moose management whether or not you see any moose. WDFW is most interested in reports from people spending time in natural areas in Okanogan, Ferry, Stevens, Pend Oreille, and Spokane counties between September 1 and November 30.

It's too bad there isn't similar data from 2000 through 2015 before wolves started impacting moose!

 It's interesting that WDFW actively solicits help/info from hunters in the woods concerning moose numbers, taking their word for it, yet at the same time dismisses any encounter with wolves in the field by hunters as tin foil hat conspiracy, requiring a laundry list of evidence before paying any attention.

[jasnt]

I see less and less moose every year.  Have not seen one since 2nd day of early modern deer.  Normally this time of year I run across moose almost daily checking my trap line.  Last Sunday and Monday I put 14 miles on my boots and never ran across any tracks but cougar and few deer. 
South 117

[jackelope]

I see less and less moose every year.  Have not seen one since 2nd day of early modern deer.  Normally this time of year I run across moose almost daily checking my trap line.  Last Sunday and Monday I put 14 miles on my boots and never ran across any tracks but cougar and few deer. 
South 117

Are you saying that’s a cougar track?

[KFhunter]

I see less and less moose every year.  Have not seen one since 2nd day of early modern deer.  Normally this time of year I run across moose almost daily checking my trap line.  Last Sunday and Monday I put 14 miles on my boots and never ran across any tracks but cougar and few deer. 
South 117

Are you saying that’s a cougar track?

I was waiting for that 




(yes it's a cougar track)

[Ridgeratt]

I see less and less moose every year.  Have not seen one since 2nd day of early modern deer.  Normally this time of year I run across moose almost daily checking my trap line.  Last Sunday and Monday I put 14 miles on my boots and never ran across any tracks but cougar and few deer. 
South 117

Are you saying that’s a cougar track?

I was waiting for that 




(yes it's a cougar track)

With what looks like a broken toe nail.

[KFhunter]

With what looks like a broken toe nail.

those are tracking dots

[jasnt]

I see less and less moose every year.  Have not seen one since 2nd day of early modern deer.  Normally this time of year I run across moose almost daily checking my trap line.  Last Sunday and Monday I put 14 miles on my boots and never ran across any tracks but cougar and few deer. 
South 117

Are you saying that’s a cougar track?

yes. Both tracks are the same animal   I was waiting for that aswell.  Those tracks are 10 feet apart. No other tracks in the area.   I took them to show how cats often walk with claws extended when in deep snow

[jackelope]

It wasn’t so much the claws that  had me as it was the pointiness e of the pads. I guess I expected a cat track to be a little bit more round in the pads. It also looks smaller than I would expect. If I was a betting man I would have guessed it was a coyote.