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Cattle Producers of Washington President Scott Nielsen said the number of attacks is increasing, but attributed the large jump in confirmed depredations to better documentation of attacks."I don't think there was a big increase. I think it has been a slow, steady growth," he said. "It's not way worse now. They're just admitting it."
Didn’t understand why wolves chose cattle over elk??? More meat, easier to find and kill. Personally I could care less that wolves are killing cattle. Wolves are native to the US and cattle are not.
new Fish and Wildlife Director Kelly Susewind with wanting to get a more accurate accounting of livestock losses. He said the number of confirmed depredations should motivate the department to collar more wolves to better follow packsjust what we need, more money spent on collaring wolves that they will do nothing about. good thought there (insert sarcastic tone). seems to me, if it was up to them,(wdf) they would collar every wolf but deny over half ever existed. more lies to follow soon.....
Oh I understand. I hunt and fish. I just don’t have a problem with other predators. Especially when they are eating non native livestock. Do you spend a lot of time hunting cows?? Just my opinion. I get that people are all upset about the reintroduction of predators but it doesn’t bother me.
You are saying that wolves eat sooooo much beef that they are even making a dent on the cattle industry??? Laughable. Since the reintroduction of wolves has the price of beef gone up because wolves are eating them??? Is this a ranching forum or hunting?? I would be willing to bet more cows are killed by cars than wolves each year. I would also be willing to bet cows kill more people than wolves do. Seems to me the main problem is that wolves provide direct competition for the prey that humans like to predate on. I would also be willing to bet that humans poaching deer and elk kill more ungulates than wolves do each year.
What rising cost of beef??? Please guys. No need to be commies and tell me how to think or behave. Remember when wolves killed all the bison and elk so they could pasture cattle?? Remember how wolves altered the environment to favor non native species while introducing diseases?? Or how they spent decades grazing cattle on public land while paying nothing?? The whole rancher cattle wolf dilemma is a straw man to remove predator competition. You all would be better to come straight out and state that. I’m not against ranchers protecting their cattle on private property but then they would have to ride with the herd now wouldn’t they
Quote from: Platensek-po on December 30, 2018, 09:49:13 AMOh I understand. I hunt and fish. I just don’t have a problem with other predators. Especially when they are eating non native livestock. Do you spend a lot of time hunting cows?? Just my opinion. I get that people are all upset about the reintroduction of predators but it doesn’t bother me.First of all I don't believe you, I think you are another wolf lover claiming you are a hunter, that is so commonplace it's not even a good tactic anymore! Most wolves are still eating more wild animals than cattle, but when the moose, elk, and deer get hard to find wolves begin to eat cattle and they eat neighborhood pets, this will increase as more wolves suffer from hunger as their numbers increase and food gets harder to find. It has been proven numerous times that wolf packs turn into problem wolves eventually. Wolves simply do not fit into human inhabited country. The problem in Washington is too many western WA inhabitants have no understanding how rural America supports the needs of urban America. These same people try to force their distorted views on all the citizens of the state. What explains the situation perfectly is when our State Representative Kretz tried to share the wolf love with the west side with legislation to move some wolves from the east to the west, it turns out western WA only loves wolves that are in eastern Washington, western WA didn't want wolves moved to western WA! Quote from: Platensek-po on December 30, 2018, 10:53:06 AMWhat rising cost of beef??? Please guys. No need to be commies and tell me how to think or behave. Remember when wolves killed all the bison and elk so they could pasture cattle?? Remember how wolves altered the environment to favor non native species while introducing diseases?? Or how they spent decades grazing cattle on public land while paying nothing?? The whole rancher cattle wolf dilemma is a straw man to remove predator competition. You all would be better to come straight out and state that. I’m not against ranchers protecting their cattle on private property but then they would have to ride with the herd now wouldn’t theyYour rant does not even make sense? Complete sentences would be a big help!
Many eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state!
Quote from: bearpaw on December 30, 2018, 12:01:21 PMMany eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state! Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.
Quote from: Tbar on December 30, 2018, 12:05:53 PMQuote from: bearpaw on December 30, 2018, 12:01:21 PMMany eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state! Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.??
Quote from: bearpaw on December 30, 2018, 12:13:06 PMQuote from: Tbar on December 30, 2018, 12:05:53 PMQuote from: bearpaw on December 30, 2018, 12:01:21 PMMany eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state! Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.?? 2017 session vs 2018 season....
Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.
Quote from: bearpaw on December 30, 2018, 12:01:21 PMMany eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state! Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan rewritten was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.
"OK, all of you who love wolves and advocate them in the state, I want you to be able to share in all the benefits in having a wolf pack," said Rep. Joel Kretz, R-Wauconda, who represents the northeast corner of the state where many of Washington's eight confirmed packs roam."It's a stupid bill, and it's a waste of our resources," said Sen. Kevin Ranker, D-Orcas Island.Kretz's measure, House Bill 1258, suggests moving gray wolves to the Olympic Peninsula and the San Juan Islands - a jab, Ranker noted, directed at him, since the plan would send the animals to his district. Ranker was a vocal critic of last fall's state-sanctioned killing of a wolf pack that had repeatedly killed on rancher's cattle in Stevens County.
House Bill 2771 now goes to the Senate, where it could be blocked by senators concerned that their districts would be on the short list of places to introduce wolves. The House bill moved because the chairman of the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee, Aberdeen Democrat Brian Blake, set aside his opposition and let the bill through for a vote.The bill was supported by a few westside lawmakers with rural constituents, but the lopsided vote was driven by eastside Republicans and urban Democrats.Cattle Producers of Washington President Scott Nielsen, a Stevens County rancher, said he understands resistance to taking in wolves. Still, he said that he supports the bill because translocation would expand support for protecting livestock and the public from wolves.“While I don’t wish wolves on anyone, it will bring the rest of agriculture and rural folks into the fight,” Nielsen said. “It’s a social battle, and the best way to win a social battle is to have as many people on the same page as us.”Nielsen said regional de-listing would be a better way to help northeast Washington ranchers who are losing cattle.“I understand why people don’t want wolves in their backyard because I’m in the same boat,” he said. “We’ll welcome them into the fight.”Under the bill, WDFW would look for places without wolves, but with enough prey to feed them. A review to satisfy the State Environmental Policy Act could take a year or longer and would be further complicated by the fact that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has jurisdiction over wolves in Western Washington.
When the state DOESN'T manage after they move them. We will send the thank you cards to Kretz for his successful ideas. I didn't see anyone who supports the consumption of wildlife celebrating his last bill. I did however see a ton of optimism from the extreme environmental side. So if that was his goal, good for him(and you).
Three more depredations by OPT pack confirmed in Ferry CountyJanuary 11, 2019On Jan. 4, WDFW staff were informed of dead livestock by the Stevens-Ferry County Wildlife Specialist on a U.S. Forest Service grazing allotment in Ferry County. The livestock producer and ranch staff were actively looking for a few cow-calf pairs remaining on the allotment along the Kettle Crest. The carcasses were discovered through investigation of wolf location information provided to the livestock producer by the County Wildlife Specialist. The carcasses were within the OPT pack territory. The producer who owns the depredated livestock is the same producer that experienced wolf depredations by the OPT pack in 2018. The carcasses were discovered northwest of the allotment where the 2018 depredations occurred. On Jan. 3, the producer searched the area of the reported wolf location information and discovered one live cow and two calf carcasses. The live cow was removed from the area by the producer and was reported to have no injuries. Due to the remote location of the carcasses and lack of daylight, WDFW staff could not reach the area to investigate the dead livestock until Jan. 5. During the investigation of the carcasses initially reported, department staff found and conducted an investigation on an additional cow carcass discovered in close proximity to the others. In total, staff investigated and confirmed three wolf depredations. The three carcasses (two calves and one cow) were within 850 meters of one another.Investigation of the first calf revealed partial consumption of the internal organs and back half of the carcass. External examination of the hide indicated bite lacerations and puncture wounds on the right and left hindquarter. Lacerations and puncture wounds were present on the inner and outer portion of both legs. Skinning the carcass on the left and right hindquarters revealed hemorrhaging of the muscle tissue.The remains of the second calf included the vertebral column and two front legs attached to a piece of hide. All of the soft tissue except the remaining hide had been consumed or removed, and the ribs and one of the long bones had been chewed and broken. There was evidence on the hide of significant hemorrhaging in the left armpit of the calf.The investigation of the cow carcass revealed significant wounds and consumption of the soft tissues of the head and puncture wounds above the hock on the left rear leg. Skinning the leg revealed significant hemorrhaging and tissue damage immediately underlying those wounds.The damage to all three of the carcasses investigated was indicative of wolf depredation and wolf tracks were documented at each site. In addition, GPS data from the radio-collared wolf in the OPT pack showed he was in the immediate vicinity during the time of the incidents. The data were also consistent with the age of tracks found at the site during the investigation. The locations and sign further suggest that the wolves involved in the depredations remained in the immediate vicinity for about a week.No proactive wolf deterrents were in place because cattle were presumed by department staff to be off the grazing allotment. The vast majority of the livestock had been removed almost two months earlier. Deep snow (24-40 inches), avalanche conditions, and the distance from vehicles (more than 10 miles away) prevented WDFW staff or the livestock producer from removing the carcasses or deploying other responsive deterrents. No other livestock were detected in the area.Previously, the OPT pack was implicated in a total of 16 depredations (13 injured and three killed livestock) in under two months. The additional depredations bring the total to 19 depredations (13 injured and six killed livestock) since Sept. 4, 2018.On Nov. 13, WDFW Director Kelly Susewind paused action seeking to lethally remove the two remaining wolves from the OPT pack that repeatedly preyed on cattle in Ferry County. WDFW staff previously attempted to remove the remaining two wolves in the pack multiple times over a two-week period, but were unable to locate the uncollared pack member due to the dense forest canopy.Director Susewind is now reassessing this situation and considering next steps.
