Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington

[pianoman9701]

Didn’t understand why wolves chose cattle over elk??? More meat, easier to find and kill. Personally I could care less that wolves are killing cattle. Wolves are native to the US and cattle are not.

The ignorance is strong in this one.

[Skyvalhunter]

Didn’t understand why wolves chose cattle over elk??? More meat, easier to find and kill. Personally I could care less that wolves are killing cattle. Wolves are native to the US and cattle are not.

This is primarily a hunting forum in case you had not read the name. Obviously u don't understand that as this is your first post, you might want to realize this right from the start.

[Platensek-po]

Oh I understand. I hunt and fish. I just don’t have a problem with other predators. Especially when they are eating non native livestock. Do you spend a lot of time hunting cows?? Just my opinion. I get that people are all upset about the reintroduction of predators but it doesn’t bother me.

[jasnt]

Oh I understand. I hunt and fish. I just don’t have a problem with other predators. Especially when they are eating non native livestock. Do you spend a lot of time hunting cows?? Just my opinion. I get that people are all upset about the reintroduction of predators but it doesn’t bother me.

do you not eat beef?

[jackelope]

It’s about a lot more than eating beef if you ask me.

[MR5x5]

Oh I understand. I hunt and fish. I just don’t have a problem with other predators. Especially when they are eating non native livestock. Do you spend a lot of time hunting cows?? Just my opinion. I get that people are all upset about the reintroduction of predators but it doesn’t bother me.

Don't be a tool.  Don't feed the troll.

[Platensek-po]

You are saying that wolves eat sooooo much beef that they are even making a dent on the cattle industry??? Laughable. Since the reintroduction of wolves has the price of beef gone up because wolves are eating them??? Is this a ranching forum or hunting?? I would be willing to bet more cows are killed by cars than wolves each year. I would also be willing to bet cows kill more people than wolves do. Seems to me the main problem is that wolves provide direct competition for the prey that humans like to predate on. I would also be willing to bet that humans poaching deer and elk kill more ungulates than wolves do each year.

[jasnt]

yes but if your fond of beef you might care about rising prices. 
Wolves cause more problems for ranchers than just a few cows lost. The herd is stressed and they loose weight. They stay in the open for safety instead of grazing the better feed to avoid the wolves.  Obviously your not educated in the effects of wolves on cattle
Those same effects apply to deer and elk and moose

[Dale Gribble]

You are saying that wolves eat sooooo much beef that they are even making a dent on the cattle industry??? Laughable. Since the reintroduction of wolves has the price of beef gone up because wolves are eating them??? Is this a ranching forum or hunting?? I would be willing to bet more cows are killed by cars than wolves each year. I would also be willing to bet cows kill more people than wolves do. Seems to me the main problem is that wolves provide direct competition for the prey that humans like to predate on. I would also be willing to bet that humans poaching deer and elk kill more ungulates than wolves do each year.

Seems to me you’re way out of your element coming on hunt Wa to immediately jump into the wolf/cattle debate. I’d bet as you say, that your livelihood doesn’t depend on the cattle industry therefore it is unlikely you’ll understand where many of us are coming from either as a hunter or rancher. those individuals that you don’t care about take losses on a weekly basis due to wolf predation, they depend on the health of their herd and when a wolf take out a calf or a mother cow that counts for years of losses that are for the most part unmeasurable. But I’m gonna throw out a bet that you’re a part of one of the enviro terroist groups similar to Friedman and only coming on here to fire guys up.

[Platensek-po]

What rising cost of beef??? Please guys. No need to be commies and tell me how to think or behave. Remember when wolves killed all the bison and elk so they could pasture cattle?? Remember how wolves altered the environment to favor non native species while introducing diseases?? Or how they spent decades grazing cattle on public land while paying nothing?? The whole rancher cattle wolf dilemma is a straw man to remove predator competition. You all would be better to come straight out and state that. I’m not against ranchers protecting their cattle on private property but then they would have to ride with the herd now wouldn’t they

[pianoman9701]

Don't feed the trolls, guys. This is not someone to waste your words with.

[Tbar]

What rising cost of beef??? Please guys. No need to be commies and tell me how to think or behave. Remember when wolves killed all the bison and elk so they could pasture cattle?? Remember how wolves altered the environment to favor non native species while introducing diseases?? Or how they spent decades grazing cattle on public land while paying nothing?? The whole rancher cattle wolf dilemma is a straw man to remove predator competition. You all would be better to come straight out and state that. I’m not against ranchers protecting their cattle on private property but then they would have to ride with the herd now wouldn’t they

Some valid points here. 

[Tbar]

I would be naive to not at least recognize some of those thoughts at least as debatable.

[bearpaw]

Oh I understand. I hunt and fish. I just don’t have a problem with other predators. Especially when they are eating non native livestock. Do you spend a lot of time hunting cows?? Just my opinion. I get that people are all upset about the reintroduction of predators but it doesn’t bother me.

First of all I don't believe you, I think you are another wolf lover claiming you are a hunter, that is so commonplace it's not even a good tactic anymore!

Most wolves are still eating more wild animals than cattle, but when the moose, elk, and deer get hard to find wolves begin to eat cattle and they eat neighborhood pets, this will increase as more wolves suffer from hunger as their numbers increase and food gets harder to find. It has been proven numerous times that wolf packs turn into problem wolves eventually. Wolves simply do not fit into human inhabited country.

The problem in Washington is too many western WA inhabitants have no understanding how rural America supports the needs of urban America. These same people try to force their distorted views on all the citizens of the state. What explains the situation perfectly is when our State Representative Kretz tried to share the wolf love with the west side with legislation to move some wolves from the east to the west, it turns out western WA only loves wolves that are in eastern Washington, western WA didn't want wolves moved to western WA! 

What rising cost of beef??? Please guys. No need to be commies and tell me how to think or behave. Remember when wolves killed all the bison and elk so they could pasture cattle?? Remember how wolves altered the environment to favor non native species while introducing diseases?? Or how they spent decades grazing cattle on public land while paying nothing?? The whole rancher cattle wolf dilemma is a straw man to remove predator competition. You all would be better to come straight out and state that. I’m not against ranchers protecting their cattle on private property but then they would have to ride with the herd now wouldn’t they

Your rant does not even make sense? Complete sentences would be a big help!

[Tbar]

Oh I understand. I hunt and fish. I just don’t have a problem with other predators. Especially when they are eating non native livestock. Do you spend a lot of time hunting cows?? Just my opinion. I get that people are all upset about the reintroduction of predators but it doesn’t bother me.

First of all I don't believe you, I think you are another wolf lover claiming you are a hunter, that is so commonplace it's not even a good tactic anymore!

Most wolves are still eating more wild animals than cattle, but when the moose, elk, and deer get hard to find wolves begin to eat cattle and they eat neighborhood pets, this will increase as more wolves suffer from hunger as their numbers increase and food gets harder to find. It has been proven numerous times that wolf packs turn into problem wolves eventually. Wolves simply do not fit into human inhabited country.

The problem in Washington is too many western WA inhabitants have no understanding how rural America supports the needs of urban America. These same people try to force their distorted views on all the citizens of the state. What explains the situation perfectly is when our State Representative Kretz tried to share the wolf love with the west side with legislation to move some wolves from the east to the west, it turns out western WA only loves wolves that are in eastern Washington, western WA didn't want wolves moved to western WA! 

What rising cost of beef??? Please guys. No need to be commies and tell me how to think or behave. Remember when wolves killed all the bison and elk so they could pasture cattle?? Remember how wolves altered the environment to favor non native species while introducing diseases?? Or how they spent decades grazing cattle on public land while paying nothing?? The whole rancher cattle wolf dilemma is a straw man to remove predator competition. You all would be better to come straight out and state that. I’m not against ranchers protecting their cattle on private property but then they would have to ride with the herd now wouldn’t they

Your rant does not even make sense? Complete sentences would be a big help!

Are you living under a rock? Kretz paved the way for predator translocation west! Period! Tried to be a hero and it backfired, it was absolutely celebrated by the wolf lovers.  That's why the leg held on to the funding of HIS bill.