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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2019, 05:03:15 PM »
Wolves will go through thick stuff too, hard to follow so thick

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2019, 05:16:57 PM »
But the point is wolves are loopers and rely on often times running after their prey for miles thus lower flatter areas. Where as cougars are stalkers which is more conducive to Rocky steep areas

Correct the deer that don’t go to town are moving into prime lion hunting country. Cliffs and rocky terrain perfect for cougars. That’s if the deer survive winter and the 12 feet of snow in the high country. That’s why they are in yards not prime habitat

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2019, 05:27:57 PM »

What a crock, they could save millions by talking to folks(listening to and respecting their feedback) that are out there consistently and folks that know areas and have long history in those areas rather than forking out all this money for "wolf experts", studies, etc that for some reason usually spin the results to favor their ideas. Bottom line, our herds are shrinking, some have been downright devastated to the point that it is a shame what has happened. Part two to the "bottom line" predator numbers are increasing, in some areas(where herds are being devastated) they are booming to the point they have been seen more and more close to "people" because thats where their prey are seeking refuge. This is not rocket science, bears and cats have been increasing in numbers over the last 20 or so years, most of us have seen increasing sign of both, more and more each year for me at least and a new predator has been "officially"(for a lack of a better word) on the scene for about the same time. What do they think is going to happen, all these predators including the new one have to eat, and each year they are eating more and more, their populations are growing as we speak. They either really can't figure this out or unfortunately there really is some sort of an "agenda" taking place right under our noses. No, I do not wear tin foil hats, I,m pretty level headed, but I,ll tell ya, something is not right.... :twocents:

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2019, 06:59:36 AM »
Say a big thank you to your boss, Mitch Friedman the self admitted eco terrorist at Conservation NW , for all the fires he helped cause throughout the west :tup:

Is conservation NW still working behind the scenes to shut down predator hunting in Washington and throughout the west?

Just curious because you have spread misinformation( a nice way of saying "lies") on here in the past.


Ah yes, there it is, the key phrase theure going to tout around proudly.  The wolf impact on mule deer is benefiting us as theyre reducing motor vehicle collisions... :rolleyes:

Ha, can't say I've heard that one yet. Especially as the state, feds, Colville tribes, MDF and others are working to reduce those collisions through much more reasonable means in places like Highway 97: https://youtu.be/sQhEmdkQ-hc

Loss of winter range due to development, agriculture and recent severe fires, and fragmentation of migration corridors leading to that winter range, seem to be the largest issues facing our mule deer. Hopefully studies like this provide some solid tools for managers to incorporate additional impacts from increased predation, too.

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2019, 02:12:23 PM »
Say a big thank you to your boss, Mitch Friedman the self admitted eco terrorist at Conservation NW , for all the fires he helped cause throughout the west :tup:

Is conservation NW still working behind the scenes to shut down predator hunting in Washington and throughout the west?

Just curious because you have spread misinformation( a nice way of saying "lies") on here in the past.


Ah yes, there it is, the key phrase theure going to tout around proudly.  The wolf impact on mule deer is benefiting us as theyre reducing motor vehicle collisions... :rolleyes:

Ha, can't say I've heard that one yet. Especially as the state, feds, Colville tribes, MDF and others are working to reduce those collisions through much more reasonable means in places like Highway 97: https://youtu.be/sQhEmdkQ-hc

Loss of winter range due to development, agriculture and recent severe fires, and fragmentation of migration corridors leading to that winter range, seem to be the largest issues facing our mule deer. Hopefully studies like this provide some solid tools for managers to incorporate additional impacts from increased predation, too.


forest fires are from global warming I mean climate change  :chuckle: don't worry mitch is all over this next fake crisis just like he saved the spotted owl

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2019, 03:40:43 PM »
Say a big thank you to your boss, Mitch Friedman the self admitted eco terrorist at Conservation NW , for all the fires he helped cause throughout the west :tup:

You're the outraged internet activist, tell him yourself.  It's not Chase's job to deliver your mail. 

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2019, 03:58:31 PM »
By the list of those who funded the study, its plain to see once again, it was an agenda driven,  bought and paid for conclusion, administered by non hunting wolf romanticizers.

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2019, 04:20:39 PM »
By the list of those who funded the study, its plain to see once again, it was an agenda driven,  bought and paid for conclusion, administered by non hunting wolf romanticizers.
Who? 

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2019, 04:32:00 PM »
Say a big thank you to your boss, Mitch Friedman the self admitted eco terrorist at Conservation NW , for all the fires he helped cause throughout the west :tup:

You're the outraged internet activist, tell him yourself.  It's not Chase's job to deliver your mail.

His job is to go on sportsmen’s sites and spread Mitch Friedman ,the eco terrorist , lies

Oh I have contacted Mitch

Thanks for thinking of me though sunshine :chuckle:

Really weird people on hunt wa openly support radical organizations trying to shut down hunting

Carry on

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2019, 04:41:56 PM »
So any legitimacy to this
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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2019, 04:47:56 PM »
Acknowledgements

We are grateful to the Colville Tribes Fish and Wildlife Department, and especially to E. Krausz and R. Whitney, for permission to access their lands, guidance, logistical support, and comments on an earlier version of the manuscript. We also thank the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest, and especially M. Marsh, for guidance and logistical support. Field assistance was provided by M. Bianco, K. Ebenhoch, J. Fournier, A. Smethurst, K. Perensovich, S. Stark, C. Montgomerie, B. Woodruff, I. Hull, C. Whitney, and TC Walker. Valuable field training was provided by W. Myers and J. Kujala.

Author contribution statement

AJW, MRH, and WJR originally conceptualized the study. JAD, CRS, and AC contributed to fieldwork. JAD analyzed the data and led the writing of the manuscript. All authors contributed critically to the drafts and gave final approval for publication.

Funding

This project was carried out under NSF DEB grants 1145902 (AJW) and 1145522 (MRH). Additional funding was provided by the Safari Club International Foundation, Conservation Northwest, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (Aquatic Lands Enhancement Account, ALEA: AJW and JAD), the University of Washington Student Technology Fee (STF: CRS and JAD) program, and the University of Washington USEED program (AJW, JAD, CRS, and AC).

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The authors declare that they have no conflicts of interest.

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All applicable institutional and/or national guidelines for the care and use of animals were followed.

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2019, 05:22:44 PM »

So wolves are driving deer from their normal wintering areas?

How are deer impacted in heavier snow years like this year if chased out of historic wintering areas?

Wolves are hunted on the Coleville Rez. How does this impact wolves’ behavior? Wolves would be targeted if the hung around populated areas on the Rez.

Not even mentioned in article

Be interesting if they studied the methow herds where wolves pursue deer near populated areas because wolf control is prohibited . 

Not a very well thought out study


Acknowledgements

We are grateful to the Colville Tribes Fish and Wildlife Department, and especially to E. Krausz and R. Whitney, for permission to access their lands, guidance, logistical support, and comments on an earlier version of the manuscript. We also thank the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest, and especially M. Marsh, for guidance and logistical support. Field assistance was provided by M. Bianco, K. Ebenhoch, J. Fournier, A. Smethurst, K. Perensovich, S. Stark, C. Montgomerie, B. Woodruff, I. Hull, C. Whitney, and TC Walker. Valuable field training was provided by W. Myers and J. Kujala.

Author contribution statement

AJW, MRH, and WJR originally conceptualized the study. JAD, CRS, and AC contributed to fieldwork. JAD analyzed the data and led the writing of the manuscript. All authors contributed critically to the drafts and gave final approval for publication.

Funding

This project was carried out under NSF DEB grants 1145902 (AJW) and 1145522 (MRH). Additional funding was provided by the Safari Club International Foundation, Conservation Northwest, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (Aquatic Lands Enhancement Account, ALEA: AJW and JAD), the University of Washington Student Technology Fee (STF: CRS and JAD) program, and the University of Washington USEED program (AJW, JAD, CRS, and AC).

Compliance with ethical standards

Conflict of interest

The authors declare that they have no conflicts of interest.

Ethical approval

All applicable institutional and/or national guidelines for the care and use of animals were followed.

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2019, 06:08:20 PM »
By the list of those who funded the study, its plain to see once again, it was an agenda driven,  bought and paid for conclusion, administered by non hunting wolf romanticizers.

Please don't lump everyone in the list of funding contributors as "non-hunting wolf romanticizers".  As a member of their BOD, I can assure you that the fine folks of Safari Club International's Foundation (SCIF) are anything of the sort.

Both SCI and SCIF are totally pro-hunting.  In fact, I personally helped push for the funding of this study since it's in our proverbial back yard and we Washingtonians were/are in desperate need some wolf-related predator/prey data that doesn't just come from one all-too-often biased source (WDFW).  In my opinion, the best predator/prey science is coming out of the tribe's biologists.  The Colville's get it...and is why they committed to a year-around unlimited quota on wolves.

So, if you have a rigorous science-based study that you would like to have funded and done (we are particularly interested in predator/prey data-sets), I'd be happy to send it to SCIF's biologists and local chapters (and perhaps even the tribes) for review and potential funding.

Regards,

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Re: UW wolf-deer research initial results
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2019, 06:46:36 PM »
By the list of those who funded the study, its plain to see once again, it was an agenda driven,  bought and paid for conclusion, administered by non hunting wolf romanticizers.

Please don't lump everyone in the list of funding contributors as "non-hunting wolf romanticizers".  As a member of their BOD, I can assure you that the fine folks of Safari Club International's Foundation (SCIF) are anything of the sort.

Both SCI and SCIF are totally pro-hunting.  In fact, I personally helped push for the funding of this study since it's in our proverbial back yard and we Washingtonians were/are in desperate need some wolf-related predator/prey data that doesn't just come from one all-too-often biased source (WDFW).  In my opinion, the best predator/prey science is coming out of the tribe's biologists.  The Colville's get it...and is why they committed to a year-around unlimited quota on wolves.

So, if you have a rigorous science-based study that you would like to have funded and done (we are particularly interested in predator/prey data-sets), I'd be happy to send it to SCIF's biologists and local chapters (and perhaps even the tribes) for review and potential funding.

Regards,

Allen


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