Shannon, If I remember right. He is out of Central Oregon. Part of the Bob Fisk group. He is a very nice dog. I have a German import at the Kennel right now also. There is no caparison, That whole group from Bosie to Bend are producing "Hunting Dogs". I have had 7 or 8 of their dogs in they are awesome. I have trained 5 that were imported that if they were mine they would not be. I have seen this with other breeds as well. Unless you go to Europe and personally pick your pup, I am convinced you will get sent a cull.