I know it's almost a forbidden topic but when you have seen over the last few years trucks with 4 to 5 branched bulls roll by the house every weekend august through febuary it doesn't take long to add up where all the mature bulls have gone. Some sort of co-management needs to exist not sure the answer but we are on the fringes of losing the battle how pathetic it will be 5 years from now when we have to look back on single digit permit levels and refer to them as the good ol' days. Wolves are on the outskirts of the yakima herd but have been for years and are not having that significant of an impact yet, however within the next 3 to 5 years of continuing current wolf management they too will be a force to reckon with in this area as well