Permits quotas rocking

[KFhunter]

The bulls the Yakima's take out are very visible and well noted and usually near a road. 

I would just caution that focusing on tribal harvest too much and you'll miss the impact predators are having.  If the Yakima's are focusing on bulls that's not going to reduce the overall herd unless there's no bulls left, the cows are still getting bred, it might be late, it might be spread out, and that might get more calves killed, but that's all subjective and not really settled science.

Just don't focus like a laser beam on the tribal take and miss the whole picture, seeing pickup loads of bulls coming out would be hard to swallow though. 


Wolves are more insidious, they don't parade their kills past people's houses in 4x4 trucks.

[Tbar]

I don't believe predators are the problem in that area. More likely it's the unregulated hunting by the Yakama tribe.

Or more than likely the elk agricultural interface. But continue on with your unrepresented hate generator. 

[Tbar]

I know it's almost a forbidden topic but when you have seen over the last few years trucks with 4 to 5 branched bulls roll by the house every weekend  august through febuary it doesn't take long to add up where all the mature bulls have gone.  Some sort of co-management needs to exist not sure the answer but we are on the fringes of losing the battle how pathetic it will be 5 years from now when we have to look back on single digit permit levels and refer to them as the good ol' days.  Wolves are on the outskirts of the yakima herd but have been for years and are not having that significant of an impact yet,  however within the next 3 to 5 years of continuing  current wolf management they too will be a force to reckon with in this area as well

I would bet those trucks don't come close to the damage harvest.  In addition to that you only paint part of the picture.  Cows are the population drivers and those permit numbers are plummeting as well.  Maybe if you guys would take the blinders off from time to time you'd see what's going on in plain sight. 

[B4noon]

Correct on the cow and calf is another subject and although below herd objectives due to a number of reasons including predators and mismanagement on allocation of cow permits as well as other factors involved antlerless permits and seasons will stay status quo for another year, when asked why bull permits are being drastically cut the response is that the bull escapement is way below objective for unknown reasons therefore drastic cuts need to be made.  This is the same agency that has also put in print on the moose permit allocations that the moose populations are in a steady decline but thats okay because the habitat for moose is in a decline so a decline in moose population is acceptable at this time and not reductions in permits will be made.  Maybe instead we spend money on habitat and I dont mean more cubicle bio habitat in the NRB building its starting to look like a colony of swallows over there

[bobcat]

Tbar- sounds like you're the one with the blinders on.

[h20hunter]

The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.

[Magnum_Willys]

I know it's almost a forbidden topic but when you have seen over the last few years trucks with 4 to 5 branched bulls roll by the house every weekend  august through febuary it doesn't take long to add up where all the mature bulls have gone.  Some sort of co-management needs to exist not sure the answer but we are on the fringes of losing the battle how pathetic it will be 5 years from now when we have to look back on single digit permit levels and refer to them as the good ol' days.  Wolves are on the outskirts of the yakima herd but have been for years and are not having that significant of an impact yet,  however within the next 3 to 5 years of continuing  current wolf management they too will be a force to reckon with in this area as well

[B4noon]

all the more reason for the tribe to be transparent and share harvest statistics.  Once the total harvest is accounted for maybe we will discover what the true impact is and it might not be as significant as thought then we could move on to the next reason as to why the bulls are disappearing but data has to be shared in order to get to that point.  I would think it would be in the best interest of all parties to manage the herd to it's greatest potential

[trophyhunt]

The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.

Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business?  And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate? 

[KFhunter]

all the more reason for the tribe to be transparent and share harvest statistics.  Once the total harvest is accounted for maybe we will discover what the true impact is and it might not be as significant as thought then we could move on to the next reason as to why the bulls are disappearing but data has to be shared in order to get to that point.  I would think it would be in the best interest of all parties to manage the herd to it's greatest potential

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[kirkl]

Our Yakima area isn’t over run with wolves like north east. The colocum is giving out 100 rifle cow tags this year where there is a wolf pack, so tell us what is taking
Down the local Yakima elk herd Tbar?

[BULLBLASTER]

I don’t think the elk are hurting enough to justify the extremely low tag numbers in that area.

Seems like a kneejerk to a problem that doesn’t exist to the extent they claim. 

[Tbar]

Tbar- sounds like you're the one with the blinders on.

Yep! You're right......

[Tbar]

The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.

Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business?  And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?

You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?

[trophyhunt]

The FB posts titled Jerky Season and dead bulls in trucks is glaring.

Tbar, do you think it’s ok if one member alone kills 25-30 bulls in one year, some years more, to satisfy the guys jerky business?  And that’s just one member that abuses the treaty. We all realize it’s not only the tribes, but it’s certainly part of the problem. Does your tribe, the nooksacks, abuse the treaties or do they self regulate?

You know how many bulls one member killed? Or wait, you read it on the internet so it must be right?

nope wrong, never heard it on the net.  From a yakama.