poll: 1-10 what is the wolf conflict in your area you live or hunt?

[KFhunter]

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[KFhunter]

I wasn't sure how best to do this thread, I wanted to show a progression of some sort from no conflict to maximium wolf conflict. 

I have been noticing some disturbing wolf trends that suggest this area of the NE is about to enter a new level of wolf conflict. We're easily at level 5 and probably in some areas easily at level 6, but I think we're approaching level 7 by this fall or winter.

It's getting noticeably worse and rapidly doing so.   Pups are out of the dens and growing fast, the adults are used to people and used to eating cattle, the pups are learning this behavior and will in turn pass it on themselves. 

I think within 5 years most rural areas in the NE will be at level 7 (and above in some areas), we may even see level 9 be hit, then all hell will break loose.

I'm not chicken little, I try to be very realistic and so far all my wolf predictions have been correct. 

[idahohuntr]

While you describe yourself as realistic and an accurate predictor of wolf impacts - just based on your choices you clearly fall to the other side of the ledger described by this level-headed research scientist quoted in the story below. 

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/aug/04/study-in-idaho-cougars-kill-slightly-more-elk-than/

“On one side of the ledger you have a portion of the public that thinks that harvest is just going to send the wolves to extinction and that has not been the case,” he said of that 2018 study. “And then … there is a side that thinks wolves are taking over and they will grow without limits.”

[KFhunter]

This isn't a debate, do you have any input on the progression I've laid out in 1-10?  Were some of the jumps too big? or too small?  Did you vote in the poll?

As for where I put the level of conflict for this region of the NE its factual that WDFW has been removing wolves due to depredation on livestock, so level 5 is a conservative level to put it, and factual.

My prediction about the next 5 years is just that, MY prediction. 
It's purely opinion on my part that within 5 years we'll see the progression from 5 to level 7 (and perhaps higher in some regions of the NE)


In the areas you hunt, what level of wolf conflict do you see Idahnter?
 


 

[idahohuntr]

This isn't a debate, do you have any input on the progression I've laid out in 1-10?  Were some of the jumps too big? or too small?  Did you vote in the poll?

As for where I put the level of conflict for this region of the NE its factual that WDFW has been removing wolves due to depredation on livestock, so level 5 is a conservative level to put it, and factual.

My prediction about the next 5 years is just that, MY prediction. 
It's purely opinion on my part that within 5 years we'll see the progression from 5 to level 7 (and perhaps higher in some regions of the NE)


In the areas you hunt, what level of wolf conflict do you see Idahnter?

My input was very clear: your progression implies population growth without limits...and that's just not realistic.

As for areas I hunt...that's a lot of areas and they range from zero presence of wolves to areas that have wolves.  As far as impacts of wolves on game where they are present...its naïve to think abundance is easy to estimate and attribute to wolves alone...read the spokesman article as an example. 

[KFhunter]

Like I said, this isn't a debate and its about wolf conflict, not mt lion or bears.   If you want go make a poll in the bear or cougar section. 

[TheStovePipeKid]

I live in Pierce County. I know, your condolences are accepted. However I hunt in the Colville area where all the predators are going bonkers. I put down a 1 because there are no documented wolves on the Key Peninsula, unless you count politicians.

[KFhunter]

I live in Pierce County. I know, your condolences are accepted. However I hunt in the Colville area where all the predators are going bonkers. I put down a 1 because there are no documented wolves on the Key Peninsula, unless you count politicians.

That's why I put where you live or hunt   most of us on HW live in urban areas where there aren't any wolves.    I live in the epi center of wolf conflict

[Oh Mah]

very good well thought out poll,thanks kfhunter. 

I also put 1 at this time for my area and where i hunt,without limits to the population in the near future it could easily go up.

THE NUMBERS HAVE NOT EXPLODED YET BUT WHEN THE NUMBERS ARE NEAR WHERE THEY ARE AT NOW EACH FEMALE PUTTING OUT SAY 6 PUPS EVERY YEAR IS COMPOUNDED.WHEN THE NUMBERS GET TO THE MAGIC POINT WITHOUT LIMITING THEM IT WILL EXPLODE AS THE COYOTE POPULATION HAS. 

[benhuntin]

Not sure what you’re looking for but I get tons of pics. And see them every year now. Also the moose numbers are really hurting.


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[Oh Mah]

Did you vote?That's all that really matters except maybe what region you are talking about.   

[TheStovePipeKid]

Well I have hunted here on the west side but it's pretty slim pickins on turkey. Haven't tried deer. In order to maintain the spirit of the poll I've adjusted my vote to reflect the area I hunt the most.

[Doublelunger]

The wording for #10 made me laugh!

[PolarBear]

I quit hunting my honey hole of 30+ years in Ferry County mainly due to the amount of predetation on the deer herd from wolves and cougars.

[PA BEN]

 I picked #2. We have them around but no problems so far. It's only a matter of time. Cougars are the big problem around here right now.

[Special T]

We have them in Skagit County. Ive seen them, others have as well. Can only assume the impact as it is much thicker here than in the NE.

[ne kid]

Spokesman Review? People still read that?

[wolfbait]

I went with a 6 also, could have added a 7&8 as well. There is a high percentage of people that pack now, that wouldn't have 20 years ago, several dogs have been killed or attacked by wolves. and there have also been several instances of wolves following people in the Methow and even a few attacks.


Good Poll KF!

H-W has come a long way in nine years, while WDF&Wolves have stayed the same....




Seven Stages Leading to A Wolf Attack on People

http://wolfeducationinternational.com/seven-stages-leading-to-a-wolf-attack-on-people/

[NOCK NOCK]

FYI. I picked 10. ......to hopefully not screw up what your looking for. Wanted to see poll results.
Many areas to hunt that have zero wolves, but no zero on poll.

[KFhunter]

thats why I put "or hunt"

Nothing scientific about the poll, just curious how many are seeing impacts, not looking for anything in particular.

On a side note I spent the whole day yesterday in a heavily impacted wolf area from 3 and 4 years ago, it was a den site and old rendezvous area I wanted to see if anything lived or came back.  I kept saying to myself "the woods are dead"

There's still a few deer, few elk, only found one fresh bear sign even though I had tons of thimble berries and hucks amoung other berries near water and shade, cool areas, strange to not see bears in old bear areas loaded with berries, all the bear scat was years old, none fresh.  I was like wtheck are the bear??

And no cattle where there used to be lots.

The woods are dead.

Anyobe else been in a dead zone?

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[hunter399]

thats why I put "or hunt"

Nothing scientific about the poll, just curious how many are seeing impacts, not looking for anything in particular.

On a side note I spent the whole day yesterday in a heavily impacted wolf area from 3 and 4 years ago, it was a den site and old rendezvous area I wanted to see if anything lived or came back.  I kept saying to myself "the woods are dead"

There's still a few deer, few elk, only found one fresh bear sign even though I had tons of thimble berries and hucks amoung other berries near water and shade, cool areas, strange to not see bears in old bear areas loaded with berries, all the bear scat was years old, none fresh.  I was like wtheck are the bear??

And no cattle where there used to be lots.

The woods are dead.

Anyobe else been in a dead zone?

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Yes very much so.
Been out hunting bear with little sign,very few deer,any elk.
Seen this in one area , so you tell me if my area is impacted or not.
From my understanding this is part of the predator/prey study and if you ask them there just trapping coyote, But we all know what there really after .And last winter I did see a wolf in this area .But will be surprised if they can catch it.

[bearpaw]

I marked #5, several ranchers I know have lost livestock, others see wolves checking out their livestock every week, it's just a matter of time and several more packs will be eating beef. Moose are at maybe 25% of their previous population, deer are at maybe 30-40% of previous population, elk are slightly increasing in some areas and slightly decreasing in other areas. In some areas the huge cougar population is making the most impact on deer, other areas the wolves have moved in heavy and making big impacts. Areas with wolves the moose population has definitely nose dived, myself and my guides have found numerous wolf kills. We've found 4 wolf killed moose in the last year. Gotta wonder how many moose they are killing that we haven't stumbled upon?

[Boss .300 winmag]

Where I live it’s #2 which I voted, where I hunt deer it’s #3.

[jasnt]

Where I live is 4 and 5 where I hunt

[KFhunter]

FYI. I picked 10. ......to hopefully not screw up what your looking for. Wanted to see poll results.
Many areas to hunt that have zero wolves, but no zero on poll.

added option 11