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Re: Wolves
« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2009, 02:20:58 PM »
Don't be fooled that we need those damn things in our state, we don't have vast wilderness like Alaska, wyoming or even idaho and montana. SHOOT, SHOVEL AND SHUT UP!!!! That is the motto in Idaho and Montana it is their motto for a reason, they've lived with them long enough to see what happens to there deer, elk and moose populations. SSS

do you approve of poaching?
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #76 on: May 19, 2009, 09:01:51 PM »
How could you be so stupid to think that wolf's are ok in this state say good by to all elk and moose.  Look at idaho elk populations dropping bad aren't they and are they managing the wolf population?  No all the wolf is going to do is phase out the hunter (aka) us because there will be no game to hunt FU@&  some people are dumb!!! >:( >:(

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2009, 09:06:49 PM »
are you talking to me?

if so, i didn't ever say i approve of wolves. i asked the guy if he approved of poaching because if you are shooting protected species, then you are a poacher. plain and simple.
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2009, 10:48:17 PM »
7mag...here's the thread i was talking about.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,26601.msg304812.html#msg304812




I read that thread, and it sounded like a bunch of people that cried wolf. I was just relaying a story that may or may not be true. If it is true, it could directly affect me, because that is where I do most of my hunting. I am curious, why do you feel that wolf crosses aren't a concern? Maybe I took you wrong, but it seems that's what you are getting at. Maybe you have more knowledge on the subject, but to me, more crosses would mean a growing and expanding wolf population.
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #79 on: May 20, 2009, 10:01:39 AM »
are you talking to me?

if so, i didn't ever say i approve of wolves. i asked the guy if he approved of poaching because if you are shooting protected species, then you are a poacher. plain and simple.


Thanks Jackalope-  These threads are like a big bass plug floating on the surface...sooner or later I just can't resist!!   :) 

Archery king- Idaho is moving towards management of their wolves as we speak.  WA is working on a management plan that is available to the public.  Take a look. 

I'll keep saying this- if we would take care of our land (i.e spray weeds, log properly, let fires work, block access where necessary...) we could have more than enough elk to feed the states goal # of wolves and allow for better hunting than we currently experience.     :twocents: 


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Re: Wolves
« Reply #80 on: May 20, 2009, 10:46:21 AM »
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I am curious, why do you feel that wolf crosses aren't a concern?

the biggest concern the wolfdogs create is for the PEOPLE that breed them. stupid people that think that because they look like a dog and smell like a dog, they must be a dog.  wolves eat domestic dogs...just ask dozens of houndhunters in idaho who's dogs have been killed and/or eaten by wolves.

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Though estimates vary, the current population of hybrids in the United States has been reported to be around 300,000. Growing interest in them has led to a proliferation in the number of wolf hybrid breeders, with many profiting from the breed's increasing popularity.

In addition, a small but energetic industry has sprung up around the animal. A number of publications, periodicals, and at least two registries are devoted to the breed. Several regional and national wolf hybrid organizations catering to breeders, owners, and enthusiasts have also become established.

As their numbers continue to increase, wolf hybrids have become the center of a growing controversy. A number of attacks on people--mostly children--have resulted in severe injuries and several deaths. Consequently, many people have begun to question whether such animals belong in their communities, or whether they should exist at all.

Despite growing attention, wolf hybrids remain largely misunderstood. Their poorly defined nature and lack of a stable identity have helped fuel the controversy surrounding them.

with a population of +/- 300k hybrids in this country, i would presume there to be more than just a couple running around western washington, whether as pets or as what used to be a pet that some dummy couldn't handle and cut him loose way out in the woods somewhere.
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #81 on: May 20, 2009, 07:27:32 PM »
I see your point Jack. My "pet" was a pain. In fact, as soon as she was big enough, she would jump over the fence. About the fourth time she did that, we couldn't find her. Never saw her again. Thankfully we had her spaid before she ran away. Not a good pet, by the way, not like a dog at all.
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #82 on: May 20, 2009, 09:27:35 PM »
How could you be so stupid to think that wolf's are ok in this state say good by to all elk and moose.  Look at idaho elk populations dropping bad aren't they and are they managing the wolf population?  No all the wolf is going to do is phase out the hunter (aka) us because there will be no game to hunt FU@&  some people are dumb!!! >:( >:(

I do agree with you on the plan to phase out the hunter.  I think that is the plan.  I do think there are many F&G people on this site who do not want to admit it on here.  On an off topic... I wonder how many of the Fish and Game employee's actually hunt verses how many are naturalist?   
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2009, 02:36:18 PM »
Don't be fooled that we need those damn things in our state, we don't have vast wilderness like Alaska, wyoming or even idaho and montana. SHOOT, SHOVEL AND SHUT UP!!!! That is the motto in Idaho and Montana it is their motto for a reason, they've lived with them long enough to see what happens to there deer, elk and moose populations. SSS

do you approve of poaching?

I approve of using common sense, they are transplanting wolves where we don't need them....in WA. I believe this is part of a bigger plan, less animals to hunt because of the kills made by the wolves in the future means less reason to have us hunting. I wouldn't regard it as poaching, just taking care of our hunting rights for our kids in the future. SSS
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2009, 04:54:34 PM »
Why does it matter if they kill a bull or a cow, moose or a deer.  For every animal they kill, male or female, they just took a yearling or two out of the equation.  Just because you may not see the effects of a pack of wolves right away, don't be nieve to think that having wolves as a natural predator won't seriously effect our game populations.  A cow and yearling is just as important to the survival of the herd as a 380 inch bull, but somehow some people believe that because it is a bull, there is more meaning behind it.  How greedy do you need to be to get pissed when it is a large bull, but figuraltively speecking turn your head when it is "just" a doe.  I am all for every animal having a chance, but a pack of wolves does more that just survive. :twocents:

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2009, 09:23:35 PM »
Doesn't the word "TRANSPLANT" open any of you wolf lovers eyes a bit.  Anything that has to be transplanted to an area will not generate well with the local environment.  If they need to be brought here, nothing about that will boast well for Washingtons game.  They will completely effect every animal such as elk, deer, moose, coyotes, varmints, and even game birds.  These animals don't just "BLEND IN" and become part of nature, they control it and everthing involved.  The natural way of life for all animals will be forced to change and adapt to these "TRANSPLANTED" killers.  We are not talking about a small bird or and tiny fish, we are talking about the most productive killers that North America has to offer and they don't travel alone like lions, how will others compete with a pack of ten wolves.  What would happen if lions traveled in these numbers, people see ONE lion near a city and the world is coming to an end and something needs to happen to protect our precious hippies in Portland.  If you want wolves then you personally should be the one to manage the numbers, but if all you are going to do is fight to get them here and then sit on your ass and let everyone else in this state fight the battle then just try your best to keep your opinion to yourself.

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2009, 08:31:55 AM »
Doesn't the word "TRANSPLANT" open any of you wolf lovers eyes a bit.  Anything that has to be transplanted to an area will not generate well with the local environment.  If they need to be brought here, nothing about that will boast well for Washingtons game.  They will completely effect every animal such as elk, deer, moose, coyotes, varmints, and even game birds.  These animals don't just "BLEND IN" and become part of nature, they control it and everthing involved.  The natural way of life for all animals will be forced to change and adapt to these "TRANSPLANTED" killers.  We are not talking about a small bird or and tiny fish, we are talking about the most productive killers that North America has to offer and they don't travel alone like lions, how will others compete with a pack of ten wolves.  What would happen if lions traveled in these numbers, people see ONE lion near a city and the world is coming to an end and something needs to happen to protect our precious hippies in Portland.  If you want wolves then you personally should be the one to manage the numbers, but if all you are going to do is fight to get them here and then sit on your ass and let everyone else in this state fight the battle then just try your best to keep your opinion to yourself.
They have never transplanted wolves into WA.  IMO the transplant of wolves into ID and yellowstone was a mistake.  But, washington is not transplanting or importing wolves.  So far, Washington wolves are migrant animals from British Columbia and are a native animal to the area. 

Are there any deer left in WI or MI, or did the wolves eat all of them already?

BTW- I hope to manage the numbers (at least by one) in ID this season.  I'm not a 'wolf lover'; I'm a realist.  And wolves are going to be a part of the landscape in WA.  We should do what we can to make tghe best of it.

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #87 on: May 22, 2009, 02:00:29 PM »
Doesn't the word "TRANSPLANT" open any of you wolf lovers eyes a bit.  Anything that has to be transplanted to an area will not generate well with the local environment.  If they need to be brought here, nothing about that will boast well for Washingtons game.  They will completely effect every animal such as elk, deer, moose, coyotes, varmints, and even game birds.  These animals don't just "BLEND IN" and become part of nature, they control it and everthing involved.  The natural way of life for all animals will be forced to change and adapt to these "TRANSPLANTED" killers.  We are not talking about a small bird or and tiny fish, we are talking about the most productive killers that North America has to offer and they don't travel alone like lions, how will others compete with a pack of ten wolves.  What would happen if lions traveled in these numbers, people see ONE lion near a city and the world is coming to an end and something needs to happen to protect our precious hippies in Portland.  If you want wolves then you personally should be the one to manage the numbers, but if all you are going to do is fight to get them here and then sit on your ass and let everyone else in this state fight the battle then just try your best to keep your opinion to yourself.
They have never transplanted wolves into WA.  IMO the transplant of wolves into ID and yellowstone was a mistake.  But, washington is not transplanting or importing wolves.  So far, Washington wolves are migrant animals from British Columbia and are a native animal to the area. 

Are there any deer left in WI or MI, or did the wolves eat all of them already?

BTW- I hope to manage the numbers (at least by one) in ID this season.  I'm not a 'wolf lover'; I'm a realist.  And wolves are going to be a part of the landscape in WA.  We should do what we can to make the best of it.
You and I won't really know if they planted wolves or not, they don't tell us everything and sometimes that's for the better. I know a bio and personally know a game warden who has been on the job many years, all I'm gonna say is don't be naive.
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2009, 02:07:28 PM »
feel free to pm me if you'd like, i'd love to hear some specifics about the transplants you seem to know about.

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #89 on: May 22, 2009, 02:09:14 PM »
There are wolves in Washington?

 


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