Troubling Decline in Yakima Elk Herd

[kentrek]

Lol this is laughable....the non tribal should feel far from being on a high horse of sound management

I dont see plat attacking us on how WE destroyed the st Helens herd...

[Rainier10]

Obviously we are all idiots.Plat,you could educate all of us on what it means to be tribal.We all live under the same flag yet the rules are so different.Is it any wonder why there is bad blood?Coming on here and fanning the flames is easy.You are actually in a unique position of helping to bridge the divide in the small community that exists here.How you choose to use that position is entirely up to you.

I hope you don't think this post was an actual olive branch and you are not fanning the flames yourself. 

This type of post is everything but helpful in bridging the gap IMHO.

[trophyhunt]

Lol this is laughable....the non tribal should feel far from being on a high horse of sound management

I dont see plat attacking us on how WE destroyed the st Helens herd...

we, or the Wdfw?  You can’t compare the two units, Wdfw was trying to kill off elk that have a problem with hoof rot, totally different than what’s happening to the Yakima herd.

[Tinmaniac]

Obviously we are all idiots.Plat,you could educate all of us on what it means to be tribal.We all live under the same flag yet the rules are so different.Is it any wonder why there is bad blood?Coming on here and fanning the flames is easy.You are actually in a unique position of helping to bridge the divide in the small community that exists here.How you choose to use that position is entirely up to you.

I hope you don't think this post was an actual olive branch and you are not fanning the flames yourself. 

This type of post is everything but helpful in bridging the gap IMHO.

Facts are fanning the flames?Who here is more of an expert on tribal matters than a tribal member?

[Rainier10]

If you take a broader view of the hoof rot it is very likely caused by the chemicals being dumped on the land by a huge corporation trying to increase it profits on a natural resource.  In that case the "white man" is destroying more than just an elk herd.

[ghosthunter]

I don't know Plat.
But I have read a lot of his posts. I doubt that he is any more happier with the situation than anyone posting here.
And I don't think calling him out to fight your perceived battle does any good.
He has treaty rights and no doubt he wants to keep them. As all Indians would.

However if in fact there is over harvest by the tribe. And so far there is no evidence presented that I can see to prove that because there are no hard numbers.
The only thing  hunters who are concerned with this  can do is bring it to the public eye. The tribe might reign in their hunters if they got sufficient pressure from the press and the public eye. Having treaty rights and abusing treaty rights are two sides of the coin. 

With any group there are going to be folks who don't give a......Those folks will do what they want regardless of the consequences even if hurts them in the long run. Elk, Deer, Bear, Guns, doesn't matter  with out some rules it all gets abused.

I have no doubt Plat has had this discussion with in his circle. But he is out numbered. 

[Woodchuck]

Plat has done more than any single individual on this forum to try and bridge the gap, it's posts like yours that have made him unwilling to share very much at all anymore. I don't blame him. 

[PlateauNDN]

Quote from: Tinmaniac on Today at 11:23:55 AM

You are actually in a unique position of helping to bridge the divide in the small community that exists here.How you choose to use that position is entirely up to you.

You obviously didn't comprehend a previous post of mine where I explained what happened in the past when I tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried to "use my unique position" here. Ask some that have posted in this thread, it got ugly I ended up just throwing in the towel and left for almost a year.

You're speaking as if you're the 1st or only person to know or suggest what you said above. As I mentioned, I came here to educate and provide another story and point of view of a tribal member that didn't abuse their rights and overharvest.

I found this site when I was reading stuff on line from the clover springs incident back in 2011.

I requested, asked and pleaded for assistance here and guess what I got? ............. It wasn't help, that's for sure.

So again, what's left to do when I've tried numerous things? It's a passion, but passions don't pay the bills and if I have to choose between spending my time working or my passion then I choose work as I have children and responsibilities.

[kentrek]

Lol this is laughable....the non tribal should feel far from being on a high horse of sound management

I dont see plat attacking us on how WE destroyed the st Helens herd...

we, or the Wdfw?  You can’t compare the two units, Wdfw was trying to kill off elk that have a problem with hoof rot, totally different than what’s happening to the Yakima herd.

Yes WE...and I dont remember Wdfw issuing hoof rot tags...Wdfw issued tons of cow tags and WE took full advantage...

I personally dont have all the facts of the Yakima issue.....and obviously neither do alot of you or else plat would sing a different tune, which is a bummer...

Carry on

[Tinmaniac]

Quote from: Tinmaniac on Today at 11:23:55 AM

You are actually in a unique position of helping to bridge the divide in the small community that exists here.How you choose to use that position is entirely up to you.

You obviously didn't comprehend a previous post of mine where I explained what happened in the past when I tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried to "use my unique position" here. Ask some that have posted in this thread, it got ugly I ended up just throwing in the towel and left for almost a year.

You're speaking as if you're the 1st or only person to know or suggest what you said above. As I mentioned, I came here to educate and provide another story and point of view of a tribal member that didn't abuse their rights and overharvest.

I found this site when I was reading stuff on line from the clover springs incident back in 2011.

I requested, asked and pleaded for assistance here and guess what I got? ............. It wasn't help, that's for sure.

So again, what's left to do when I've tried numerous things? It's a passion, but passions don't pay the bills and if I have to choose between spending my time working or my passion then I choose work as I have children and responsibilities.

Fair enough.None of my posts were attacks on you personally,more questions on the policies that keep us divided.My apologies if thats how it was taken.

[trophyhunt]

Lol this is laughable....the non tribal should feel far from being on a high horse of sound management

I dont see plat attacking us on how WE destroyed the st Helens herd...

we, or the Wdfw?  You can’t compare the two units, Wdfw was trying to kill off elk that have a problem with hoof rot, totally different than what’s happening to the Yakima herd.

Yes WE...and I dont remember Wdfw issuing hoof rot tags...Wdfw issued tons of cow tags and WE took full advantage...

I personally dont have all the facts of the Yakima issue.....and obviously neither do alot of you or else plat would sing a different tune, which is a bummer...

Carry on

zero management or some management, which one is better for the herds?

[OutHouse]

To add what little I can to this discussion, I think if the poaching problem was addressed, the perceived problem of over harvest  wouldn't even be a problem. I know for fact based on some matters I worked on (not hunting related, but where this issue arose) that there are several huge operations where elk and deer are poached, gutted, and the carcasses sold for anywhere from $60-$200 (mostly in Yakima County). The evidence for this was captured by informants talking directly with people involved while discussing other unlawful acts. On film, clear audio. Offers were even made and discussed. I believe if poaching was reigned in and punished properly, this wouldn't be an issue.

[trophyhunt]

Speaking of proof of poaching by the Yakima tribes, Operation Cody!  Read it!

[OutHouse]

Speaking of proof of poaching by the Yakima tribes, Operation Cody!  Read it!

I did read that book. Very interesting. But the individuals I am talking about are non-tribal.

[kentrek]

Lol this is laughable....the non tribal should feel far from being on a high horse of sound management

I dont see plat attacking us on how WE destroyed the st Helens herd...

we, or the Wdfw?  You can’t compare the two units, Wdfw was trying to kill off elk that have a problem with hoof rot, totally different than what’s happening to the Yakima herd.

Yes WE...and I dont remember Wdfw issuing hoof rot tags...Wdfw issued tons of cow tags and WE took full advantage...

I personally dont have all the facts of the Yakima issue.....and obviously neither do alot of you or else plat would sing a different tune, which is a bummer...

Carry on

zero management or some management, which one is better for the herds?

I didn't realize the Yakimas had zero management ??