ATV use on Closed Roads

[Bango skank]

A closed road is a closed road.  It means some people can't or won't hunt it and some people will have extra opportunity.  You can still hike in, bike in most of the places or ride a horse.  If you look at the impact of vehicles, closing a road creates more net hunting opportunities as the elk will use more of the woods than if trucks and atvs were moving down the road.

Besides, nobody on this board road hunts, we all hike in 5 miles minimum.   

Here's an idea If you don't want to run into people on atvs dont walk on a road . There is the whole rest of the forest you can use.

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Heres an idea, if you dont want to get ticketed dont drive on roads posted CLOSED TO MOTORIZED VEHICLES  there is the whole rest of the road system you can use.

[Mudman]

WHy are some roads and areas open and closed?   Some access is ok but some isn't?  We should use their arguments and close all roads.   Walk in only.  No exceptions.   No atv, no horse, no minivans or corvettes.   Problem solved across all user groups.   Do you think the Libs and such will support that?  NO?  Why not?   Do the main rds not damage vegetation or bother animals or allow for illegal trash dumps?  Does an atv leave less carbon footprint than a Truck?  Is it smaller or less intrusive?     WHy are snowmachines allowed when atv isnt?  Damage to plants and erosion right?   Arent snowmobiles louder?   Hmm, I thought noise disturbed animals?  Hmm.   Can I ride atv in snow then?  Hmm, no, why not?   Is atv on roads less harmful then 7000lb truck?   Hmm really.  Ok, I get it.  Must be sumthing else.  I support access for all and by any reasonable means.

[jmscon]

Food for thought,
WA has over five times more people, per square mile, as ID.
There are roads open that even a Subaru can’t go up because of the lack of maintenance. Why, no funding. The government has pulled funding and the fires get worse and worse eating up the money that the FS does have.
Why block roads? It’s cheaper than decommissioning. Also motorcycles and atvs are less likely to bring in washers and dryers or refrigerators.
Want roads labeled better? Contact the FS and tell them you’ll put up the signs. Maybe organize a MH volunteering opportunity put signs up. They’d have to be replaced every year because they would be the bullseye for some jass wipes target practice.
I feel your pain piano man, I’ve turned around and went back to the truck without even hunting because of people going around a gates or driving closed roads.

[Threethirtyeight]

A closed road is a closed road.  It means some people can't or won't hunt it and some people will have extra opportunity.  You can still hike in, bike in most of the places or ride a horse.  If you look at the impact of vehicles, closing a road creates more net hunting opportunities as the elk will use more of the woods than if trucks and atvs were moving down the road.

Besides, nobody on this board road hunts, we all hike in 5 miles minimum.   

Here's an idea If you don't want to run into people on atvs dont walk on a road . There is the whole rest of the forest you can use.

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Heres an idea, if you dont want to get ticketed dont drive on roads posted CLOSED TO MOTORIZED VEHICLES  there is the whole rest of the road system you can use.

Thank you for proving my point it's part of the public ROAD SYSTEM. Not a special interest only trail.

 Here's another idea  why don't you go hike on a trail designated for walking in one of our lovely parks or go to one of those really nice paved bike paths to ride your bike or maybe just ride your horse in an approved arena. And i know I can ride my sxs in an ATV park. Then none of us will disturb the vegetation or animals on the public land.

Sure you might get me locked out of the the roads on my ATV or truck but you can bet that I will then also like to get you locked out of those same roads on your horse because they spread weeds from the hay you feed them and all the erosion those skinny tires on the bikes cause.


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[hunter399]

WHy are some roads and areas open and closed?   Some access is ok but some isn't?  We should use their arguments and close all roads.   Walk in only.  No exceptions.   No atv, no horse, no minivans or corvettes.   Problem solved across all user groups.   Do you think the Libs and such will support that?  NO?  Why not?   Do the main rds not damage vegetation or bother animals or allow for illegal trash dumps?  Does an atv leave less carbon footprint than a Truck?  Is it smaller or less intrusive?     WHy are snowmachines allowed when atv isnt?  Damage to plants and erosion right?   Arent snowmobiles louder?   Hmm, I thought noise disturbed animals?  Hmm.   Can I ride atv in snow then?  Hmm, no, why not?   Is atv on roads less harmful then 7000lb truck?   Hmm really.  Ok, I get it.  Must be sumthing else.  I support access for all and by any reasonable means.

Access for all you say .
So just open all gates .
Not a bad idea , But some how I might think atv users might not be so happy ,along with the great quality hunting that we have now .It might even make hunting Better for Washington to kill off the few remaining animal.

[trophyhunt]

Sh*t
I just gotta say it

I’d be happy if I could just ride my street legal licensed quad on the dang forest roads
Never mind a closed road

   Again, that’s politics, ok in Idaho dicks about it here in lib town.

[MADMAX]

 

I hear that, if I could convince the wife, we'd be selling out and heading to the Bitterroot valley

[trophyhunt]

I hear that, if I could convince the wife, we'd be selling out and heading to the Bitterroot valley

my wife and I can’t wait to move out, unless the politics change but that will not happen.

[coachcw]

We have a road near our cabin that has been open for as long as i know , its a short cut through road that everyone uses , last year they green doted it , totally stupid its not even habitat where game is bedding and cuts three miles off. in fact a guy on top has private that accesses through it so is he screwed ? i see closing roads for sanctuary but some make no sense . I've taken issue with guys just ridding into areas to hunt sure but also i totally understand a guy buzzing in and grabbing game out particularly when its hot and theres a chance of waste. 

[trophyhunt]

I'm all in when it comes to getting the meat out in order to save it, either from predators or heat.  The fs should at least, at the minimum allow that.  In Canada back in 2001, we couldn't use the quad to get my moose until after noon, that's how it was back then.  I think that is a great idea, allows the strong hikers a good morning hunt and the older longer in the tooth guys to still get in for an evening hunt.

[pianoman9701]

I left my partner on a mountain last week because he was hunting a steep side (like 80 degrees) that fell about 600' into a meadow which had a road leading in but the road prohibited any motor vehicles. His plan was to use the road to drive into the meadow if we shot an animal which ran downhill, which they always do. There would've been no way to bring it back up the hillside without a winch. I left. Hunters who are younger and healthier than I who had walked down that two miles of road to hunt this incredible meadow would have been ticked off to see someone drive down it and I would've been, too. Until there's a rule saying that it's OK to take in a vehicle to retrieve and animal on a closed road, I'm not doing it. It's not right. It's not ethical. And it's not legal. Call me a crybaby or a Boy Scout (I guess it's just Scout now), but there you go.

[trophyhunt]

Every hunter would act differently I think, if I saw a guy drive in to retrieve an animal on a closed road, I’d prob help him load it up.  But that’s just me.

[ballpark]

Your argument makes mine.  Vicki runs both states eh?   Then why are we locked down and Id isn't?  Politics...………    Ya defund em, ya bet ya.  That's our solution.  The pocketbook.  Not this garbage "oh we lose roads and stuff"  NO we lose Buearecrats and red tape.  We lose signs warning us of "Deer crossing:" or some other waste of $.   Trump knows this.   $ yanked = people access and use due to less enforcement.  Les FS off getting deputized by sheriff to harass people with silly Tickets instead of stopping poaching turned into Jerky.  I disagree with you 100%.  BEst thing they could do is get out of the way.  Let roads go to crap, allow jeeps or atvs to access with the horses.  RESPOND when we call em to report a poacher.  Good roads only allow subarus and Lexus to go to the mnt and view elk from 1000yards at the approved viewpoints.

Idaho has an extensive MVU restriction from October - March. We all plan and choose where to hunt based on road access or lack of access. Until roads are reopened, don’t screw up someone’s hunt that is following a states MVU restrictions. Go hunt somewhere else. And yes I’m one that has been miles behind closed road access only to have atv’s screw my hunt.  I am an Atv owner also

[NOCK NOCK]

Still seems to be some misunderstanding of what is actually a “Closed Road”. 

[KFhunter]

I left my partner on a mountain last week because he was hunting a steep side (like 80 degrees) that fell about 600' into a meadow which had a road leading in but the road prohibited any motor vehicles. His plan was to use the road to drive into the meadow if we shot an animal which ran downhill, which they always do. There would've been no way to bring it back up the hillside without a winch. I left. Hunters who are younger and healthier than I who had walked down that two miles of road to hunt this incredible meadow would have been ticked off to see someone drive down it and I would've been, too. Until there's a rule saying that it's OK to take in a vehicle to retrieve and animal on a closed road, I'm not doing it. It's not right. It's not ethical. And it's not legal. Call me a crybaby or a Boy Scout (I guess it's just Scout now), but there you go.

instead of an atv, use an ebike and a cart to get that game out