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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2019, 12:25:24 PM »
I left my partner on a mountain last week because he was hunting a steep side (like 80 degrees) that fell about 600' into a meadow which had a road leading in but the road prohibited any motor vehicles. His plan was to use the road to drive into the meadow if we shot an animal which ran downhill, which they always do. There would've been no way to bring it back up the hillside without a winch. I left. Hunters who are younger and healthier than I who had walked down that two miles of road to hunt this incredible meadow would have been ticked off to see someone drive down it and I would've been, too. Until there's a rule saying that it's OK to take in a vehicle to retrieve and animal on a closed road, I'm not doing it. It's not right. It's not ethical. And it's not legal. Call me a crybaby or a Boy Scout (I guess it's just Scout now), but there you go.

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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2019, 01:00:39 PM »
Be careful with  E-Bike usage behind gates.  I know of one timber company which does not allow e-bike usage. No motorized anything.
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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2019, 06:15:27 PM »
I myself am a SxS owner and love driving it to a closed road (no green dot) in my case and hiking in, it aint rocket science some roads open to motor vehicles some are not, its better for everyone, if you cant do the pack then don't take the shot.

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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2019, 06:44:12 PM »
I think it boils down to if the lands were managed better and in the peoples interest there would be less animosity and more cooperation and respect.  Its just silly now.  I see things weird maybe, for example, some write plates down and call in offenses.  Why?  Its against the rules.  Or is it because they hiked in and someone else rode.  Thus its unfair and they are mad.   But they will say they are good law abiding citizen and just doing right thing.  IF the gate wasn't there or if it was legal to go around gate on atv like other places what would the reason be?  Find another hunt area?  Still mad Bro?  So the real question is WHY is the gate there?  WHy is it closed or open?   WHy can some ignore it legally and the rest of us get a ticket?   Why do people turn in others for pts??  I think its because they are selfish righteous adults hiding behind the "against the rules" argument.   Stop and tell the offender your opinion, Man up.   That's what I do.  I would call in a poacher or criminal activity for sure but the accidental trespass or accidental 2pt shot or atv in closed area I am inclined to mind my own and let them sort out their mess.  Like I said I aint normal in this new world of tattletales and whiners.  I believe the new way is the wrong way and the old ways are almost always better...  Allow the public to access and use the lands, or don't, but no more special interest political garbage.   No more outdoorsman turning against outdoorsman just to support their specific interests while discounting others.  It is selfish, immoral and just stupid.  imop.   I support ya all however you choose to spend time in outdoors.
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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2019, 06:47:15 PM »
I think it boils down to if the lands were managed better and in the peoples interest there would be less animosity and more cooperation and respect.  Its just silly now.  I see things weird maybe, for example, some write plates down and call in offenses.  Why?  Its against the rules.  Or is it because they hiked in and someone else rode.  Thus its unfair and they are mad.   But they will say they are good law abiding citizen and just doing right thing.  IF the gate wasn't there or if it was legal to go around gate on atv like other places what would the reason be?  Find another hunt area?  Still mad Bro?  So the real question is WHY is the gate there?  WHy is it closed or open?   WHy can some ignore it legally and the rest of us get a ticket?   Why do people turn in others for pts??  I think its because they are selfish righteous adults hiding behind the "against the rules" argument.   Stop and tell the offender your opinion, Man up.   That's what I do.  I would call in a poacher or criminal activity for sure but the accidental trespass or accidental 2pt shot or atv in closed area I am inclined to mind my own and let them sort out their mess.  Like I said I aint normal in this new world of tattletales and whiners.  I believe the new way is the wrong way and the old ways are almost always better...

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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2019, 06:54:14 PM »
Seems like when the people on atv's and sxs's get to get on a legal road they seem to wonder off the road and make their own roads/trails into the woods or somewhere else. They just can't stand to stay on the road. Why is that? I own an atv and when I use it I have no problem staying on a green dot road or any other road. There's usually signs up that say "stay on the road". Some people never learned how to read I guess.

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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #96 on: September 25, 2019, 06:56:53 PM »
True.  In Rimrockk FS guy told me its technically legal to do that mostly.   Just saying.   Shouldn't be maybe but.  Weird eh?
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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2019, 08:14:50 PM »
I would call in a poacher or criminal activity for sure but the accidental trespass or accidental 2pt shot or atv in closed area I am inclined to mind my own and let them sort out their mess.

I spent 20 years just passing out warnings to trespassers, but now with the internet and a mobile device, there is no excuse.  Plus, the flipant attitude of People that just measure their behavior based on the likelihood of getting caught has become chronic and corosive. 

Many like to walk property lines to take advantage of the habitat and game their neighbors are producing and that is fine, but just like you will shoot the bull as soon as it walks across the line, I will make sure the warden writes you that ticket if you cross in the other direction now.  You know what you are doing...This "chill out man" mindset really is not sustainable because our system only works well when people chose to follow the rules even when they know they could get away with it.   
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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2019, 08:46:28 PM »
Seems like when the people on atv's and sxs's get to get on a legal road they seem to wonder off the road and make their own roads/trails into the woods or somewhere else. They just can't stand to stay on the road. Why is that? I own an atv and when I use it I have no problem staying on a green dot road or any other road. There's usually signs up that say "stay on the road". Some people never learned how to read I guess.


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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2019, 09:06:36 PM »
Seems like when the people on atv's and sxs's get to get on a legal road they seem to wonder off the road and make their own roads/trails into the woods or somewhere else. They just can't stand to stay on the road. Why is that? I own an atv and when I use it I have no problem staying on a green dot road or any other road. There's usually signs up that say "stay on the road". Some people never learned how to read I guess.


and …….no trucks/jeeps/cars/mtn bikes/motorcycles/horses/hikers EVER go off the road?????  JS


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never have I ever seen an ATV mess up a road like a truck does, huge ruts that an ATV is incapable of doing, just not enough ground pressure or power

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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #100 on: September 25, 2019, 09:15:15 PM »
Agree. I have seen waaaaaay more damage both on and off road by full size vehicles.
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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #101 on: September 25, 2019, 10:21:03 PM »
I think it boils down to if the lands were managed better and in the peoples interest there would be less animosity and more cooperation and respect.  Its just silly now.  I see things weird maybe, for example, some write plates down and call in offenses.  Why?  Its against the rules.  Or is it because they hiked in and someone else rode.  Thus its unfair and they are mad.   But they will say they are good law abiding citizen and just doing right thing.  IF the gate wasn't there or if it was legal to go around gate on atv like other places what would the reason be?  Find another hunt area?  Still mad Bro?  So the real question is WHY is the gate there?  WHy is it closed or open?   WHy can some ignore it legally and the rest of us get a ticket?   Why do people turn in others for pts??  I think its because they are selfish righteous adults hiding behind the "against the rules" argument.   Stop and tell the offender your opinion, Man up.   That's what I do.  I would call in a poacher or criminal activity for sure but the accidental trespass or accidental 2pt shot or atv in closed area I am inclined to mind my own and let them sort out their mess.  Like I said I aint normal in this new world of tattletales and whiners.  I believe the new way is the wrong way and the old ways are almost always better...  Allow the public to access and use the lands, or don't, but no more special interest political garbage.   No more outdoorsman turning against outdoorsman just to support their specific interests while discounting others.  It is selfish, immoral and just stupid.  imop.  I support ya all however you choose to spend time in outdoors.

I choose to spend my time behind closed gates without ATVs. Do you support that? Don't get mad bro! :tung:
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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #102 on: September 25, 2019, 10:27:17 PM »
Absolutely I do.   Only question is what gate and where and why is it closed?  Are they ALL closed?  Maybe they should be at the highway!  Long walk huh?  Don't worry someday it will be that way.  Proof is your gate is already closed.  Think bout it.
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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #103 on: September 25, 2019, 10:34:29 PM »
How many gates were closed in 1980?   How many are up and closed now?  How many folks were tooting along on Hondas and jeeps in 1975?  Your Dad  or Gramps maybe?  Now what do ya think your children will be doing in 30 years?   Yup.  NOTHING, and whos fault is that?
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Re: ATV use on Closed Roads
« Reply #104 on: September 26, 2019, 04:54:40 AM »
How many gates were closed in 1980?   How many are up and closed now?  How many folks were tooting along on Hondas and jeeps in 1975?  Your Dad  or Gramps maybe?  Now what do ya think your children will be doing in 30 years?   Yup.  NOTHING, and whos fault is that?
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