Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon

[Oh Mah]

Killing unlimited and unknown numbers of deer and elk IS legal. And, THAT is the problem. Our government needs to look into what was truly meant by the phrase "in common with."

yeah but it's not unlimited,that is the thing. 

[jackelope]

I've spent lots of time on the firing center and i can guarantee you that if it wasn't legal per the treaty they would not be letting them on the firing center.

YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT,IF I DON'T AGREE I WILL SAY WHAT I WANT. 

I'm not talking legal. I'm talking splitting hairs and/or abusing rights. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.

It's illegal for Yakama tribal members to commercially sell wild game meat but it's not illegal for them to advertise on social media jerky and smoked salmon and sell it to dozens of people. This is what I've learned from this thread.

Killing unlimited and unknown numbers of deer and elk IS legal (for the Yakamas). And, THAT is the problem. Our government needs to look into what was truly meant by the phrase "in common with."

Correct.

[jackelope]

Killing unlimited and unknown numbers of deer and elk IS legal. And, THAT is the problem. Our government needs to look into what was truly meant by the phrase "in common with."

yeah but it's not unlimited,that is the thing. 

They have limits? Please provide the source of your information.

[Oh Mah]

you provided it in an earlier post 

[boneaddict]

And we have come full circle.....Gate the road, its the only way to stop it legally.   


If you really want to get their attention, give the Mucks a key.   

[Oh Mah]

https://www.ynwildlife.org/tribalhunting.php

Introduction

The following guidelines are designed to help inform Yakama Tribal Members and the General Public on the Hunting Rights of Yakamas and to help alleviate any confusion about these rights. These only highlight some of the laws, and are not meant to replace the existing law and order codes regarding these activities that more fully define the tribal laws regarding hunting. These can be obtained by contacting the YN Wildlife Program.

Members of the Yakama Nation hunt throughout their ancestral lands in Washington State for the purpose of gathering meat for sustenance and ceremonial purposes. It is not the custom of tribal people to hunt or gather food for sport or leisure, but is instead a traditional and cultural activity that is needed to provide food for funerals, memorials, name givings, food feasts, and family dinners. On the reservation and ceded areas, these laws and rights override the jurisdiction of the Washington State Department of Fish & Wildlife.

here

[Oh Mah]

also if the tribe did put together something to show what harvests were most on here would deny the results. 

FACT

JUST AS THEY DO THE WDFW RESULTS

[jackelope]

https://www.ynwildlife.org/tribalhunting.php

Introduction

The following guidelines are designed to help inform Yakama Tribal Members and the General Public on the Hunting Rights of Yakamas and to help alleviate any confusion about these rights. These only highlight some of the laws, and are not meant to replace the existing law and order codes regarding these activities that more fully define the tribal laws regarding hunting. These can be obtained by contacting the YN Wildlife Program.

Members of the Yakama Nation hunt throughout their ancestral lands in Washington State for the purpose of gathering meat for sustenance and ceremonial purposes. It is not the custom of tribal people to hunt or gather food for sport or leisure, but is instead a traditional and cultural activity that is needed to provide food for funerals, memorials, name givings, food feasts, and family dinners. On the reservation and ceded areas, these laws and rights override the jurisdiction of the Washington State Department of Fish & Wildlife.

here

No limits posted there. Unless you mean hunting the cows and does over winter. They can still shoot all the bucks and bulls they want.

[jackelope]

also if the tribe did put together something to show what harvests were most on here would deny the results. 

FACT

JUST AS THEY DO THE WDFW RESULTS

We've begged for them to do that. I would applaud it.

[jackelope]

HUNTING INFORMATION FOR TRIBAL MEMBERS
 

Ceded Area, Click To Enlarge

Information for the Yakama Reservation and Ceded Areas
Introduction

The following guidelines are designed to help inform Yakama Tribal Members and the General Public on the Hunting Rights of Yakamas and to help alleviate any confusion about these rights. These only highlight some of the laws, and are not meant to replace the existing law and order codes regarding these activities that more fully define the tribal laws regarding hunting. These can be obtained by contacting the YN Wildlife Program.

Members of the Yakama Nation hunt throughout their ancestral lands in Washington State for the purpose of gathering meat for sustenance and ceremonial purposes. It is not the custom of tribal people to hunt or gather food for sport or leisure, but is instead a traditional and cultural activity that is needed to provide food for funerals, memorials, name givings, food feasts, and family dinners. On the reservation and ceded areas, these laws and rights override the jurisdiction of the Washington State Department of Fish & Wildlife.

Yakama Nation Reservation

Within the 1.2 million acre reservation of the Yakama Nation, enrolled members can hunt within and outside of the closed area with the following restrictions:

*No hunting of female deer and elk from Jan. 1�Aug. 31 (except with Special Permit). When in the field, heads or genitals must remain attached to the animals during this period as proof of sex.

*No hunting 1/2 hour after sunset to 1/2 hour before sunrise.

*No hunting of mountain goat, bighorn sheep, pronghorn antelope (except with Special Permit).

*No hunting of bald eagles or other protected animals (as defined by Tribal Council).

*No wasting of game meat normally used for human consumption.

*No hunting at night with the use of artificial lighting, no hunting from the air or from snow vehicles or ATV, no hunting using dogs, no hunting using a rifle less than 24 caliber for elk, and no use of toxic materials or bait.

*You must have permission to hunt private lands on the Reservation.

Other restrictions can be found in the Revised Yakama Nation Wildlife Code, Title XXXII.

Hunting is prohibited to all people in the Upper Toppenish Creek Wildlife Reserve (Tribal Game Refuge) and the Lower Toppenish Creek Wildlife Reserves. Within these refuges, it is a gross misdemeanor to hunt, carry firearms, or otherwise harass wildlife within the refuge boundaries. Ceremonial hunting can be done with a Special Permit.

Nowhere on the reservation are there any restrictions to the gathering of food and medicine by tribal members.

Ceded Area and Usual and Accustomed Areas(off-Reservation)

The Yakama Nation�s ceded area encompasses 12 million acres, covering nine separate counties in eastern Washington State. Usual and accustomed areas extends across the entire Pacific Northwest.

Any enrolled member of the Yakama Nation has the right to hunt, fish, and gather other food, medicine, or ceremonial supplies in open and unclaimed lands within the ceded area. One restriction is the taking of female deer or elk from Jan.1 through August 31. Any tribal member wishing to hunt female deer or elk for ceremonial purposes during this time can obtain a Special Permit. Enrolled tribal members hunting in the ceded areas must carry their enrollment card and other I.D., for game enforcement officers. Unclaimed lands include Federal, State, and other government land, and does not include private land, refuges (such as feeding stations), and safety game zones. Within the ceded areas, there are winter wildlife sanctuaries where seasonal restrictions do apply, except with a Special Permit:

*Winter Feeding Areas (no hunting Dec. 15�March 31)

*Includes Oak Creek Feeding Area, Clover Springs Feeding Area, and Cleman Mountain Feeding Area.)

*Winter Wildlife Sanctuary (no hunting Dec. 31�March 31)

*Sanford Pasture Winter Range.

Special Permit

If you are an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation, you may obtain a Special Permit to hunt for ceremonial purposes in restricted areas or at restricted times. Please contact the Yakama Nation Wildlife, Range, & Vegetation Resources Management Program for information or a permit application.

For printable pamphlet and maps:

*Toppenish Creek Reserves pdf version

*Winter Wildlife Sanctuaries pdf version













Wildlife, Range & Vegetation Resources Management Program, P.O. Box 151 (4690 S.R. 22),
Toppenish, WA 98948 Ph: (509) 865-5121 | F: (509) 865-3619 | E-mail: ynwildlife@yakama.com   

[Oh Mah]

Isn't that a limit?Can't hunt on certain lands without a special permit? isn't that a limit as well?no hunting the feeding stations without special permit?come on now there are limits.


IF WE GOT IT PEOPLE WOULD DENY THE RESULTS.AM I WRONG?

[MADMAX]

And we have come full circle.....Gate the road, its the only way to stop it legally.   


If you really want to get their attention, give the Mucks a key.

And take away the ice beer, 4x4 trucks and high power rifles and hunt like the ancestors did when treaties were signed
Not a level playing field

IMO
There is no longer a need to kill sustinence deer or elk
Plenty of casino money to go around

I’ve watched salmon crab gooeys elk and deer in this state go down the toilet
Not all from tribal overharvest but certainly a contributing factor
It’s the I got mine and screw you attitude from some of the younger guys  I don’t like
We should all work to protect the resource

[meatwhack]

Tribal members have no harvest limit for most big game which is what I think people were talking about. I’ve always wondered why a tribe that has a 1.2 million acre reservation would have any need to hunt anywhere else. Especially when tribes are so great at wildlife management.

[Oh Mah]

And we have come full circle.....Gate the road, its the only way to stop it legally.   


If you really want to get their attention, give the Mucks a key.

This i could agree with,But yes there is a but.If they close the roads there will be less people hunting in those areas.

for cougar.

meatwhack..yes that is where they have limits BIG GAME.

[meatwhack]

So they have a harvest limit of bulls they can go up and shoot with rifles in September?