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California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« on: December 22, 2019, 11:22:30 AM »
California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people — and doesn’t stop ‘bad guys’ with guns
BY HOLLY A. HEYSER DECEMBER 21, 2019 05:00 AM

When California started requiring people to pass background checks to buy ammunition on July 1, hunters hoped for the best and braced for the worst. What happened was far worse than we feared.

The premise of the new law is that people who can’t have guns shouldn’t have ammo either. I don’t know anyone who disputes that. Bad guys shouldn’t have guns or ammo.

The law says if you do not appear on a prohibited-persons list and you have passed a background check to buy a gun during the time the state has stored those records in a database, you can buy ammunition. Simple, right?

Here’s where it fell apart: The state Department of Justice finalized regulations to implement the law just before it took effect. There was no time, and no effort, to raise awareness, no time for gun owners to verify they were in the database, and most critically, that their ID matched their information in the database.

In the first four months, the checks thwarted 101 ammunition purchases by prohibited persons, and a staggering 62,000 purchases by people who had every right to buy ammunition. More than half of the rejections were due to data mismatches, such as an address change; one-third were because buyers weren’t in the database.

That’s 620 good guys for every bad guy. My friends who favor more gun control always tell me, “Holly, we don’t want to infringe on your rights. We just want to stop the bad guys.”

This law sure didn’t work out that way.

And here’s the kicker: Those 101 bad guys were already on a list! They’re known to the state, but the state clearly hasn’t yet disarmed them, which is a huge problem.

A Dec. 11 Sacramento Bee article paraphrased proponents of the law comparing this system “to a traveler having to go through security at an airport.”

Sure, if this is how airport security worked: TSA turns away one in five travelers. Rejects include cops, active-duty military, concealed weapon permit holders (who undergo rigorous background checks) and septuagenarians who like to go bird hunting a couple times a year. They may not learn why they were denied. They must navigate a confusing system for getting into the good-guy database or updating their name or address in that database. The agency that denied them won’t talk to them. They keep driving to the airport to see if they can get through. Maybe they can board a plane weeks later.

This is not hypothetical. These are real experiences of people I’ve connected with. And they’re flummoxed.

Don’t see any problem with people having to wait weeks to buy ammo? We do. Hunting seasons are finite. If you don’t have ammo, you can’t go hunting. On the eve of the state’s first bird seasons, hunting license sales plummeted, and they had not rebounded by Dec. 1. People gave up.

The absurd rejection rate isn’t the only problem.

The new background check rules apparently have no provisions for non-California residents who want to buy ammunition in the state. By our calculation based on data from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, in 2018-19, more than 7,300 non-residents spent $1.2 million here on hunting licenses, in addition to other travel expenses. What are they supposed to do?

And people who don’t own guns – like many new hunters – can’t get into the state database, so until they buy a gun, they must pay $19 for a background check that can take days, every time they buy ammunition, even for a $15 box of bird-hunting shells.

Maybe you don’t care because you don’t hunt, and you’re not sure why anyone hunts anymore.
But you should care. Hunting is an honorable and sustainable way to put free-range meat on our families’ tables. Hunting instills in us deep concern for, and connection to, our wildlands. Hunters create and protect habitat for all species, not just game species.

California, if you want to keep guns and ammo out of bad guys’ hands, invest in disarming the 8,000-plus armed prohibited persons listed by DOJ. There was a bill this year to help make a dent in that list – SB 257 by Sen. Jim Nielsen, R-Fresno – but it didn’t make it past the Assembly.
And if you’re serious about not wanting to infringe on the rights of law-abiding gun owners, please put some effort into creating a system that doesn’t wreak havoc on us. We’re not the problem.

Holly Heyser, an avid adult-onset waterfowl hunter, is communications director for the hunter-based conservation organization California Waterfowl. She spends her free time helping new hunters explore hunting, shooting, cleaning and cooking game, and – increasingly – navigating regulations.

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2019, 11:58:46 AM »
Well-written response to a ludicrous situation.

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2019, 12:06:23 PM »
I reject the premise that you need to have gone through a background check to buy ammo. Private sales from decades ago, handed down from dad and grandpa (or mom and grandma), a present from brother. Screw any of that. This is ridiculous and one of the many reasons people are fleeing CA.
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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2019, 12:17:24 PM »
This is a great article. As an avid hunter, 2nd amendment supporter and daily carrier I can honestly say that this law is doing exactly what they want it to. They care nothing for the Constitution and are doing everything they can to destroy the culture of firearms ownership and the tradition of hunting. Well done California. Good luck with those 8000 prohibited persons and the homeless that no one is doing anything about.
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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2019, 12:42:15 PM »
California is indeed accomplishing all of its objectives........slowly but surely, no guns, no hunting......just a bunch of scared compliant sheep.

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2019, 01:37:39 PM »
California for the last fifty years has tried to get rid of guns. Look at it's history, and they are successful at.  Remember back in the eightys when a there was a  mass migration from California to Washington?  Most of those were liberials, who are now going to do the same thing here as what is happening in California, except no trial and error. All they have to do is just follow what California is doing and it is done. It only a matter of time and it will happen here. No trial and error.
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The same with ammo!
The same with personal liberties

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2019, 01:48:06 PM »
The left tried for decades to ban guns entirely ("Mr. and Ms. America, turn 'em all in") but failed. They got wise and now go after certain firearms only, restrict gun parts like magazines, make ammunition more costly and difficult to get, make the process of getting guns more difficult, and put laws in place that prohibit certain people from even owning a gun.

What happens in California will end up here.
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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2019, 01:57:54 PM »
It's already happening you all haven't heard about proposed laws going on right now.
Another heads they don't only control gun laws but also control who gets elected to keep them laws forever.

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2019, 04:35:52 PM »
ya, my northwest isnt seattle or anything like seattle based idgits view the northwest.

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2019, 04:53:56 PM »
ya, my northwest isnt seattle or anything like seattle based idgits view the northwest.

Well unfortunately for many of us they elect the very people like uncle jay and his cousin bob who are proposing to do this to our state...

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2019, 04:56:35 PM »
I have been saying for years that ammo control is the new gun control.  It is much easier to pass laws restricting ammo, because those laws cannot be struck down as violating the Second Amendment.  If you do not think these ammo restrictions are coming to our state, then you are not paying attention.  Slowly but surely, you should be putting your favorite ammo away, a box or a case at a time.  And, when things get really ugly somewhere down the road, that ammo will be the new currency.
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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2019, 05:09:36 PM »
The law is doing exactly what they want, making it hard for anyone and everyone to get ammo. If they can't take their guns (yet) they'll try to keep them from being able to use them.

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2019, 07:11:28 PM »
I reject the premise that you need to have gone through a background check to buy ammo. Private sales from decades ago, handed down from dad and grandpa (or mom and grandma), a present from brother. Screw any of that. This is ridiculous and one of the many reasons people are fleeing CA.

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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2019, 07:31:57 PM »
I reject the premise that you need to have gone through a background check to buy ammo. Private sales from decades ago, handed down from dad and grandpa (or mom and grandma), a present from brother. Screw any of that. This is ridiculous and one of the many reasons people are fleeing CA.

Firmly agree with Pmans statement.  :yeah:

You can reject the "premise" all you want, but if you don't think that those two idiots Jay and Bob aren't already planning to make it happen in Washington, you aren't paying attention.
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Re: California’s new ammo law hurts the wrong people
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