Best muzzleloader?

[crabcreekhunter]

I see there is a post for a muzzleloader for a new muzzle loader hunter, which I am, but looking for the best?  What's the best out there without price being a factor for washington? Remington uml?

[Reidus]

If you want the best ballistic performance a 45 cal smokeless muzzleloader. Use bh209 and fullbore bullets.  Probably have to have one custom built. Next best thing is probably a rem 700 ultimate in terms of performance. Take a look at some of the rifles arrowhead sporting goods sells.

[Pinetar]

I own nine muzzle loaders from traditional round ball rifles to in-lines and have hunted with them for 35 years. My two Rem UML's are lights out. Super accurate and dependable with the ignition system they use.

The best price on one is Carpsniperg2 (Matt)

[crabcreekhunter]

Thanks for the replies guys, shot them a little bit but not enough to know what is good or not personally.  I was leaning towards the remington and will probably go that route over custom at this point.  I'll try and get ahold of carpsniper

[The Big Game Hunter]

If price isn't an issue and you don't care about the muzzleloader being northwest legal, then the CVA Paramount and the Remington UML are the two top dogs when it comes to off the shelf (not custom) muzzleloaders that shoot a black powder substitute. The two muzzleloaders have similar performance, but go about things in a different way.

The Remington UML can safely use a larger powder charge (200gr of BH209), but it uses a modified Barnes muzzleloader bullet with a sabot. That Barnes bullet is great, but it has a pretty typical BC for a muzzleloader bullet (.210 in this case).

On the other hand, the CVA Paramount uses a large powder charge, but not quite as large as the Remington UML (150gr of BH209). However, the Paramount uses a much more aerodynamic PowerBelt ELR bullet.

Both muzzleloaders are very, very accurate and are effective out to 300 yards or so (maybe a little further) in the right hands. It's really a matter of personal preference as to which one is "better".

https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/best-muzzleloaders/

[bornhunter]

Tagging along here. Which Rem UML model is the best in 50 cal?  I bought the bighorn a couple of years ago and not thrilled with it. This is the first I have heard of the UML. Anyone know the closest dealer to Chehalis?

[Reidus]

You could probably shoot a parker match hunter or similar in a sabot and get around a 0.4 bc. (0.453 bc @ 2800fps).

[lazydrifter]

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/cva-paramount-pro-muzzleloader-rifle-50-cal-pr3520n.html

[Pinetar]

Tagging along here. Which Rem UML model is the best in 50 cal?  I bought the bighorn a couple of years ago and not thrilled with it. This is the first I have heard of the UML. Anyone know the closest dealer to Chehalis?

I have both Rem UML's, they both are great rifles and shoot awesome! Not sure on dealer by Chehalis but you can't beat Carpsniperg2 price on one.

[bornhunter]

 

Tagging along here. Which Rem UML model is the best in 50 cal?  I bought the bighorn a couple of years ago and not thrilled with it. This is the first I have heard of the UML. Anyone know the closest dealer to Chehalis?

I have both Rem UML's, they both are great rifles and shoot awesome! Not sure on dealer by Chehalis but you can't beat Carpsniperg2 price on one.

[Rainier10]

I’m sure @Sabotloader will chime in on this. He has a ton of experience on this subject.

I’m guessing he will have a couple suggestions based on a few different priorities.

“Best” can mean different things for different people and applications.

[MtnMuley]

If Sabothunter recommends or tells me to do do something muzzy wise, I do it. If Reidus recommends or tells me to do something muzzy wise, I do it. Can't be any easier for me.

[treefarmer]

So is the Remington ultimate not legal in Washington ? 

[JimmyHoffa]

It is.  Since the law changed 2 years ago.

[Rainier10]

If price isn't an issue and you don't care about the muzzleloader being northwest legal, then the CVA Paramount and the Remington UML are the two top dogs when it comes to off the shelf (not custom) muzzleloaders that shoot a black powder substitute. The two muzzleloaders have similar performance, but go about things in a different way.

The Remington UML can safely use a larger powder charge (200gr of BH209), but it uses a modified Barnes muzzleloader bullet with a sabot. That Barnes bullet is great, but it has a pretty typical BC for a muzzleloader bullet (.210 in this case).

On the other hand, the CVA Paramount uses a large powder charge, but not quite as large as the Remington UML (150gr of BH209). However, the Paramount uses a much more aerodynamic PowerBelt ELR bullet.

Both muzzleloaders are very, very accurate and are effective out to 300 yards or so (maybe a little further) in the right hands. It's really a matter of personal preference as to which one is "better".

https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/best-muzzleloaders/

There is some very helpful information in the link you posted. 

[haftard]

So I swear by the cva. Ive killed 2 bulls with my cva optima paired with a knight bloodline bullet. And my girlfriend has killed one bull woth the cva wolf paired with a hornady sst. And a buddy of mine just bought the accura. I realy like the optima. Only issue ive had woth it is not getting the breach plug tight enough for the hammer to lock back ( weird stuff just make sure she will cock every time you put it together). Im shooting the 209 primers with 100g and 150g of 777 pellets. The best part is that cva knows that the only sagty you need is the hammer being decocked. I dont like the traditions for that reason and i dont like the knights for that reason. The coating on the stainless modles is nice but they will rust up if you dont keep them oiled. Hope this helps.

[crabcreekhunter]

Thanks for the input, went with the 700 uml ordered through a local small dealer and should be here next week.  Customs do sure look nice though!  Been a modern hunter for 20 years so will be a nice little change to chase muleys with.

[crabcreekhunter]

Also any recommendations for an aftermarket peep or a ghost ring would be awesome, trying to maximize my effective range as much as possible to a ethical point on my capabilities with the rifle.  Eyes are good so should have no problem visually.

[Reidus]

Williams fp peep if they make one for 700 uml.  A Lyman globe sight up front is nice for shooting longer distances. Not sure what parts are required to make that work.

[spookgus]

Williams fp peep if they make one for 700 uml.  A Lyman globe sight up front is nice for shooting longer distances. Not sure what parts are required to make that work.

REM UML. I have Lee Shaver inserts in my globe. We found a rail for the FP peep that could work but had to cut to length, round out the bottom and re-drill one hole to fit the receiver. NECG sells a rear peep that clamps directly to a readily available rem 700 weaver style rear scope base.  The Williams WGRS rear peep will screw directly to the receiver and comes factory installed on the laminate version. Sometimes a different ramp is needed to match the height of the peep. We use Blackhorn209 but with less powder than normal FFG.

[carpsniperg2]

They are now making drop on long range Williams sights with globes for the remingtons.

[flyfishWA]

here is your sight set up https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/optics/sights/williams-western-precision-muzzleloading-sight-set-remington-cva-paramount-paramount-pro-601371.html

[spookgus]

I'm a bit of a fathead so on the Remington I chose to elevate the rear peep to acquire a quicker and more comfortable cheek weld.

[crabcreekhunter]

Thanks everyone looks like I got the information I need, will probably throw a scope on for load development and then get to work getting comfortable with it before season.

[Josh_D.]

Anyone used the traditions pursuit g4? I’m really interested in it due to price range being much more reasonable than the rem uml.

[coachcw]

find a clean burning load and dont get caught up with massive powder charges . I shoot barnes ez and two pellets outta my knight ultralight light and its money out past 100 yards . if your shooting farther a williams upgrade is a must.

[teanawayslayer]

find a clean burning load and dont get caught up with massive powder charges . I shoot barnes ez and two pellets outta my knight ultralight light and its money out past 100 yards . if your shooting farther a williams upgrade is a must.

I just ordered the Remington 700 from Matt. Apparently you can shoot 200 grains of powder all day long out of those babies. From what I hear they burn almost all the powder using magnum rifle primers. Can’t believe I steered away from knight. Hopefully they are as good as people say!

[Bearden1]

Cva wolf northwest. .50 cal. Great little gun. Inexpensive and easy to maintain. Shot a deer at 60yds in a full run last year. Clean kill. I bought ghostring illuminated sights from muzzleloader.com and they were great.